<div dir="ltr">Wonderful, thanks Mathieu for kicking this off. If I can offer any help as rapporteur, let me know.<div><br></div><div>All - I think we should leave this discussion suspended while the direct discussions Mathieu has begun on the co-chairs&#39; behalf plays out.  Hope that&#39;s OK.</div><div><br></div><div>best</div><div>Jordan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 March 2015 at 01:45, Mathieu Weill <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Dear Colleagues,<br>
    <br>
    Attached is the note I sent to Thomas Schneider, GAC Chair, as
    discussed. <br>
    <br>
    <div>Le 05/03/2015 16:26,
      <a href="mailto:Thomas.Schneider@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Thomas.Schneider@bakom.admin.ch</a> a écrit :<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dear
            all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">i have taken note of the discussions in WP1 and
            I agree that this is an important matter where we will have
            to have a discussion in the GAC. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">So I am waiting for the co-chairs of the CCWG
            to contact me with some clear issues/questions that they
            would want us to discuss.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">And then we will come back with feedback from
            the GAC as soon as possible.
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Best regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Thomas<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif" lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif" lang="DE"> Kavouss Arasteh
            [<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]
            <br>
            <b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 5. März 2015 11:27<br>
            <b>An:</b> Jordan Carter; Schneider Thomas BAKOM; Olga
            Cavalli; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria; Manal Ismail;
            Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos Junior;
            <a href="mailto:Michael.Niebel@ec.europa.eu" target="_blank">Michael.Niebel@ec.europa.eu</a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Mathieu Weill; <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a><br>
            <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Party1] template - consensus defined
            for ICANN dealing with GAC advice - draft1<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Dear All,<u></u><u></u></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">As I mentioned before , we are now
              discussing some very delecate issue.<u></u><u></u></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">We need to seek views from GAC before
              proceeding further<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss <u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">2015-03-05 0:32 GMT+01:00 Jordan Carter
              &lt;<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>&gt;:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Mathieu<u></u><u></u></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">To confirm we at WP1 today agreed
                    to halt any further consideration of this, pending
                    your consultation with the GAC.<u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">best<u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Jordan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                </div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 5 March 2015 at 00:27,
                        Mathieu Weill &lt;<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>&gt;
                        wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Dear colleagues,<br>
                            <br>
                            We are obviously on sensitive grounds here.
                            We are all well aware that to reach our
                            goal, to enhance Icann&#39;s accountability in
                            the context of a successful transition, we
                            need to ensure :<br>
                            - that we have consensus across all SO/ACs<br>
                            - that we ensure the absence of capture
                            within Icann. <br>
                            <br>
                            This discussion started from the stress test
                            which is precisely defined at ensuring that
                            Icann is not captured by governments or a
                            group of governments. The proposal being
                            currently discussed suggests that Icann
                            Bylaws incorporate a specific decision
                            making rule (consensus) for GAC Advice to
                            get special deferrence by the Board.
                            Feedback from some GAC members in the CCWG
                            tend to demonstrate that the proposal would
                            not get full consensus at this point.
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            We need to recognize that the proposal is
                            consistent with current practice of the GAC,
                            but also that this current practice has been
                            discussed in the past within the GAC, and
                            appears to be a point of discussion between
                            GAC members lately. Consequently, we as CCWG
                            run the risk of stepping into an internal
                            GAC discussion without properly
                            understanding the specific context.
                            <br>
                             <br>
                            The co-chairs will engage the GAC Chair,
                            Thomas Schneider, on the issue shortly, as
                            discussed earlier within the CCWG. before
                            doing that I would appreciate your insights
                            on some aspects of the current proposal :<br>
                            - would other definitions of decision
                            making, for example supermajority
                            requirements such as those existing for some
                            gNSO decisions, provide sufficient
                            guarantees against capture (2/3 ; 3/4; ...)
                            ? In this case they could replace the
                            proposed definition of consensus ? <br>
                            - how does the current proposal (consensus
                            being defined as &quot;no formal objection&quot;)
                            prevent from one single government
                            &quot;capturing&quot; GAC &quot;special deferrence&quot; advice
                            ? Could that not be considered by some as
                            capture (within the GAC) by one government
                            over the &quot;public policy&quot; perspective that
                            the GAC brings into Icann. <br>
                            <br>
                            Thanks for your considered responses, and
                            for the very useful debate on this topic so
                            far.
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Best,<br>
                            Mathieu<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Le 04/03/2015 07:14, Jordan Carter a écrit :<u></u><u></u></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                <br>
                                <u></u><u></u></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Dear all, dear
                                    Olga, <u></u><u></u></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Apologies for
                                      the delay in replying, but here we
                                      go:<u></u><u></u></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">On 3 March
                                        2015 at 23:35, Olga Cavalli &lt;<a href="mailto:olgacavalli@gmail.com" target="_blank">olgacavalli@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                        wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Dear
                                            Jordan, <u></u><u></u></p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">could
                                              you clarify this sentence
                                              please:<u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </div>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                          </div>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">&quot;I
                                                know that the GAC could
                                                do this: if it changed
                                                the Operating Principle
                                                47 to allow advice by
                                                majority vote, this
                                                would effectively
                                                increase governmental
                                                influence in ICANN&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
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                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">In short:
                                          if GAC can choose to decide
                                          advice more easily, and ICANN
                                          is obliged to duly take GAC
                                          advice into account, then GAC
                                          can choose to increase its
                                          influence in ICANN. GAC should
                                          not be able to choose to do
                                          this on its own, is the
                                          argument here.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Here&#39;s the
                                          long version:<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">At the
                                          present time GAC advice
                                          triggers an obligation on
                                          ICANN to duly take that advice
                                          into account, as per the
                                          bylaws:<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><i>Article
                                            IX Section 2 Part 1</i><u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">j.
                                              The advice of the
                                              Governmental Advisory
                                              Committee on public policy
                                              matters shall be duly
                                              taken into account, both
                                              in the formulation and
                                              adoption of policies. In
                                              the event that the </span>ICANN </i><i><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">Board
                                              determines to take an
                                              action that is not
                                              consistent with the
                                              Governmental Advisory
                                              Committee advice, it shall
                                              so inform the Committee
                                              and state the reasons why
                                              it decided not to follow
                                              that advice. The
                                              Governmental Advisory
                                              Committee and the </span>ICANN </i><i><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">Board
                                              will then try, in good
                                              faith and in a timely and
                                              efficient manner, to find
                                              a mutually acceptable
                                              solution.</span> </i><u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">This
                                          obligation to look at the
                                          advice, and to try and find a
                                          mutual solution, is what gives
                                          GAC its influence in ICANN -
                                          its advice cannot be ignored
                                          by the Board.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">The GAC in
                                          its Operating Principles (#47)
                                          specifies that advice will be
                                          made by consensus.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">GAC can
                                          change its operating
                                          principles.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">If -
                                          hypothetically - GAC did
                                          change its operating
                                          principles to allow it to give
                                          advice to ICANN on a
                                          non-consensus basis - perhaps
                                          by voting - then it would be
                                          _lowering the threshold_ at
                                          which advice could be given.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">The <b>current</b>
                                          combination of ICANN having to
                                          give due heed to GAC advice,
                                          and the consensus nature of
                                          that advice, is what gives the
                                          GAC its
                                          <b>current</b> level of
                                          structural influence in ICANN.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">It seems to
                                          me that<b> if the threshold
                                            was lowered</b> for
                                          establishing such advice, then
                                          that influence would be
                                          <b>increased</b>. Governments
                                          would have more influence in
                                          ICANN, because it would be
                                          easier to give advice on more
                                          topics without the onerous
                                          requirement of consensus being
                                          arrived at.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">In the
                                          other direction, if the
                                          threshold for advice was <b>made
                                            higher</b> (e.g. if GAC -
                                          hypothetically - changed its
                                          operating principles so that
                                          it could only offer consensus
                                          advice after agreeing it was
                                          consensus at three GAC
                                          meetings in a row, with a
                                          quorum of 100 governments
                                          participating), then the level
                                          of influence would be
                                          <b>reduced</b>.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">The logic
                                          behind this proposed change to
                                          the ICANN bylaws is that the
                                          <b>current</b> level of GAC
                                          advice in the ICANN
                                          environment should be
                                          maintained, and that any
                                          changes to it would need to be
                                          agreed not just by GAC (which
                                          is the case today), but by the
                                          whole community through a
                                          change to the bylaws.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">I apologise
                                          that this is a long reply, but
                                          I cannot answer clearly more
                                          briefly.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Jordan<u></u><u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Best
                                                regards</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Olga</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">2015-03-03
                                              10:28 GMT-03:00 Jordan
                                              Carter &lt;<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>&gt;:
                                              <u></u><u></u></p>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Thank
                                                      you very much
                                                      Julia and Rafael
                                                      for these inputs.
                                                      It is very helpful
                                                      in further
                                                      developing this
                                                      proposal.
                                                      <u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                        think there is
                                                        an objective
                                                        question we need
                                                        an answer to,
                                                        which is:<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Which,
                                                          if any, SOs
                                                          and ACs have
                                                          the ability to
                                                          change their
                                                          internal rules
                                                          or procedures
                                                          in a way that
                                                          affects the
                                                          whole ICANN
                                                          community?</b><u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">From
                                                        where I sit, I
                                                        know that the
                                                        GAC could do
                                                        this: if it
                                                        changed the
                                                        Operating
                                                        Principle 47 to
                                                        allow advice by
                                                        majority vote,
                                                        this would
                                                        effectively
                                                        increase
                                                        governmental
                                                        influence in
                                                        ICANN and is
                                                        solely a GAC
                                                        decision.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                        do not know
                                                        whether other
                                                        ACs can do this,
                                                        because I do not
                                                        know whether the
                                                        bylaws give a
                                                        special
                                                        privileged
                                                        status to their
                                                        advice similar
                                                        to the status
                                                        they give to GAC
                                                        advice.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                        do not know
                                                        whether other
                                                        SOs can do
                                                        this. <u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                        think in the
                                                        ccNSO there is
                                                        no advice
                                                        provision, and
                                                        in terms of
                                                        policymaking,
                                                        all the rules
                                                        are set out in
                                                        the PDP which is
                                                        part of the
                                                        bylaws. So any
                                                        change for ccNSO
                                                        influence is a
                                                        bylaws change,
                                                        as far as I
                                                        know.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">If
                                                        we have a
                                                        clearer position
                                                        of this, it
                                                        would be
                                                        helpful.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Are
                                                          ICANN staff
                                                          able to
                                                          provide this
                                                          information?</b><u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Is
                                                          any volunteer
                                                          member of the
                                                          WP able to
                                                          provide this
                                                          information?</b><u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                        think if we know
                                                        the answer, we
                                                        will have a
                                                        better basis to
                                                        proceed.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">My
                                                        initial thought
                                                        is that if it is
                                                        only GAC that
                                                        has this
                                                        ability, then
                                                        that isn&#39;t
                                                        something that
                                                        should be
                                                        maintained,
                                                        because one of
                                                        the key criteria
                                                        for the IANA
                                                        stewardship
                                                        transition that
                                                        NTIA has set out
                                                        is that ICANN
                                                        should not be
                                                        subject to
                                                        *governmental*
                                                        control in
                                                        future. An
                                                        unlimited
                                                        ability for
                                                        governments to
                                                        increase their
                                                        influence in
                                                        ICANN at their
                                                        own discretion
                                                        could conflict
                                                        with that
                                                        requirement, and
                                                        mean the IANA
                                                        stewardship
                                                        transition
                                                        fails.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">That&#39;s
                                                        why resolving
                                                        this in some way
                                                        is part of
                                                        WorkStream 1 -
                                                        to be done to
                                                        allow transition
                                                        to proceed.<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Looking
                                                        forward to more
                                                        discussions!<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal">bests<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Jordan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          3 March 2015
                                                          at 21:36,
                                                          Perez Galindo,
                                                          Rafael &lt;<a href="mailto:RPEREZGA@minetur.es" target="_blank">RPEREZGA@minetur.es</a>&gt;
                                                          wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Dear
                                                          All<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Spain fully
                                                          concurs with
                                                          the views
                                                          expressed by
                                                          Denmark.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          While
                                                          understanding
                                                          the need to
                                                          avoid capture,
                                                          no proposal
                                                          should preempt
                                                          the way in
                                                          which a
                                                          Committee
                                                          makes
                                                          decisions,
                                                          which is what
                                                          this idea
                                                          would mean in
                                                          practice by
                                                          compelling the
                                                          GAC to stick
                                                          to the
                                                          consensus rule
                                                          if it wants
                                                          the Board to
                                                          duly take into
                                                          account its
                                                          advice.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          This proposal
                                                          goes beyond
                                                          the scope of
                                                          this CCWG
                                                          unless we
                                                          engage in
                                                          discussion of
                                                          procedures in
                                                          all relevant
                                                          SOs/ACs, as
                                                          well.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          At any rate,
                                                          such a
                                                          proposal would
                                                          strongly
                                                          affect the GAC
                                                          role and
                                                          should request
                                                          explicit
                                                          consent from
                                                          the GAC prior
                                                          to its
                                                          inclusion in
                                                          the report.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best regards<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Rafael Pérez
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                                                          En nombre de
                                                          Julia Katja
                                                          Wolman<br>
                                                          Enviado el:
                                                          martes, 03 de
                                                          marzo de 2015
                                                          12:53<br>
                                                          Para: <a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a><br>
                                                          Asunto: Re:
                                                          [Party1]
                                                          template -
                                                          consensus
                                                          defined for
                                                          ICANN dealing
                                                          with GAC
                                                          advice -
                                                          draft1<u></u><u></u></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          Dear Malcolm,
                                                          colleagues,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          This is indeed
                                                          an interesting
                                                          discussion,
                                                          which is
                                                          likely to
                                                          generate some
                                                          more comments
                                                          from the
                                                          government
                                                          side.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          From our (DK)
                                                          point of view
                                                          we fully
                                                          understand the
                                                          need to have a
                                                          stress test
                                                          for such a
                                                          situation,
                                                          including
                                                          mitigating
                                                          capture, but
                                                          it is our
                                                          general view
                                                          that any such
                                                          proposal
                                                          should not
                                                          lower the
                                                          current
                                                          threshold for
                                                          the obligation
                                                          of the ICANN
                                                          Board to duly
                                                          taking into
                                                          account GAC
                                                          advice.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          With regard to
                                                          Malcolm&#39;s
                                                          suggestion
                                                          below, we
                                                          believe the
                                                          text should
                                                          not be split
                                                          into two. To
                                                          clarify: In
                                                          practice, the
                                                          example you
                                                          present below
                                                          where the
                                                          other
                                                          governments
                                                          would be
                                                          &quot;indifferent&quot;
                                                          actually means
                                                          that the other
                                                          governments
                                                          actively chose
                                                          not to
                                                          actively
                                                          support that
                                                          specific
                                                          issue, for
                                                          different
                                                          reasons, and
                                                          consequently
                                                          there would be
                                                          consensus on
                                                          advancing that
                                                          specific issue
                                                          as GAC advice.
                                                          We would also
                                                          like to
                                                          underline that
                                                          reaching
                                                          consensus
                                                          among
                                                          governments is
                                                          not an easy
                                                          task and is a
                                                          process that
                                                          requires
                                                          deliberations
                                                          and
                                                          compromises. 
                                                          Therefore, we
                                                          would like
                                                          keep the text
                                                          from the
                                                          existing
                                                          consensus
                                                          rules in the
                                                          GAC&#39;s
                                                          Operating
                                                          Principles.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Moreover with
                                                          regard to the
                                                          template,
                                                          there may be
                                                          situations
                                                          where the GAC
                                                          could not give
                                                          consensus
                                                          advice to the
                                                          Board on a
                                                          specific issue
                                                          because of
                                                          opposition
                                                          from one
                                                          government but
                                                          the general
                                                          view could
                                                          still be in
                                                          the benefit of
                                                          the public.
                                                          The opposite
                                                          situation
                                                          could be
                                                          interpreted so
                                                          that a
                                                          non-consensus
                                                          advice always
                                                          would be
                                                          contrary to
                                                          the public
                                                          benefit/interest.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Consequently
                                                          in the
                                                          attached
                                                          document we
                                                          suggest to
                                                          amend the
                                                          following
                                                          paragraph:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                           &quot;Primarily
                                                          this purpose:<br>
                                                          ·       Ensure
                                                          decisions are
                                                          for benefit of
                                                          the public,
                                                          not just for a
                                                          particular set
                                                          of
                                                          stakeholders&quot;<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          to<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          &quot;Primarily
                                                          this purpose:<br>
                                                          .     Avoid
                                                          capture of a
                                                          particular set
                                                          of interests&quot;<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best regards,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Julia<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Julia Katja
                                                          Wolman<br>
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                                                          Malcolm Hutty<br>
                                                          Sendt: 2.
                                                          marts 2015
                                                          12:38<br>
                                                          Til: Kavouss
                                                          Arasteh;
                                                          Jordan Carter<br>
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                                                          Emne: Re:
                                                          [Party1]
                                                          template -
                                                          consensus
                                                          defined for
                                                          ICANN dealing
                                                          with GAC
                                                          advice -
                                                          draft1<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 01/03/2015
                                                          08:01, Kavouss
                                                          Arasteh wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt; I
                                                          understand
                                                          from the draft
                                                          that therte
                                                          would be only
                                                          &quot;CONSENSUS
                                                          ADVICE&quot;<br>
                                                          &gt; from GAC
                                                          to ICANN Board<br>
                                                          &gt; However,
                                                          today, GAC
                                                          could advise
                                                          the ICANN
                                                          Board with
                                                          advice on
                                                          which<br>
                                                          &gt; no
                                                          consensus is
                                                          reached and
                                                          that is an
                                                          aimportant
                                                          elements on
                                                          which<br>
                                                          &gt; the
                                                          system is
                                                          working.<br>
                                                          &gt; There are
                                                          several
                                                          examples of
                                                          such kind of
                                                          advice.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Absolutely,
                                                          this is an
                                                          important
                                                          point. It is
                                                          of course
                                                          important that
                                                          the Board
                                                          receive input
                                                          from
                                                          individual
                                                          governments as
                                                          well as other
                                                          stakeholders.
                                                          The GAC has
                                                          sometimes
                                                          found it
                                                          convenient to
                                                          convey such
                                                          input through
                                                          consensus
                                                          documents such
                                                          as the
                                                          communique.
                                                          When it does
                                                          so this
                                                          essentially
                                                          means &quot;We have
                                                          no consensus
                                                          on X, but some
                                                          of our members
                                                          would like to
                                                          express their
                                                          own view to
                                                          you, and we
                                                          are agreed
                                                          that you
                                                          should be
                                                          aware of their
                                                          view&quot;.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          This is
                                                          entirely
                                                          appropriate.
                                                          At the same
                                                          time, it is
                                                          important to
                                                          be able to
                                                          distinguish
                                                          between a view
                                                          that has
                                                          commanded a
                                                          consensus in
                                                          the GAC and
                                                          one which does
                                                          not; the
                                                          bylaws
                                                          provides for
                                                          special weight
                                                          to be given to
                                                          GAC views, and
                                                          that surely
                                                          means the
                                                          former rather
                                                          than the
                                                          latter. This
                                                          template
                                                          simply aims to
                                                          clarify that.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          As a small
                                                          tweak, I
                                                          wonder whether
                                                          the template
                                                          would be
                                                          improved by
                                                          spltting the
                                                          test into two
                                                          heads
                                                          (&quot;general
                                                          agreement&quot; AND
                                                          &quot;the absence
                                                          of formal
                                                          objection&quot;, as
                                                          follows:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          &quot;Consensus
                                                          advice of the
                                                          Governmental
                                                          Advisory
                                                          Committee on
                                                          public policy
                                                          matters shall
                                                          be duly taken
                                                          into account,
                                                          both in the
                                                          formulation
                                                          and adoption
                                                          of policies,
                                                          where
                                                          consensus is
                                                          understood to
                                                          mean the
                                                          practice of
                                                          adopting
                                                          decisions by
                                                          general
                                                          agreement and
                                                          the absence of
                                                          any formal
                                                          objection. 
                                                          [...continues
                                                          unchanged]&quot;<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The aim of
                                                          this change is
                                                          to address the
                                                          position where
                                                          one government
                                                          raises an
                                                          issue of
                                                          interest to
                                                          them only, and
                                                          other
                                                          governments
                                                          are
                                                          indifferent.
                                                          It seems to me
                                                          if only one
                                                          government
                                                          holds a
                                                          position, and
                                                          the others
                                                          state that
                                                          they have no
                                                          view, this
                                                          doesn&#39;t really
                                                          constitute a
                                                          consensus
                                                          position, and
                                                          ought not to
                                                          be treated as
                                                          such.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Of course,
                                                          governments
                                                          that were
                                                          largely
                                                          disinterested
                                                          would still be
                                                          free to give
                                                          their positive
                                                          support
                                                          anyway,
                                                          perhaps out of
                                                          comity, and so
                                                          to form a
                                                          consensus.
                                                          This change
                                                          would merely
                                                          say that input
                                                          would only be
                                                          treated as GAC
                                                          consensus
                                                          advice if they
                                                          chose to do
                                                          so.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Malcolm.<br>
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