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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> wp1-bounces@icann.org
[mailto:wp1-bounces@icann.org] <b>De la part de</b> Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> dimanche 15 mars 2015 22:44<br>
<b>À :</b> Steve DelBianco<br>
<b>Cc :</b> wp1@icann.org<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [WP1] [Party1] For discussion - criteria to select
preferred mechanisms<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Steve,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yes we have to be more precise about the ciommuity<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This what I am referring at various occations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>AC,SO are all not similar .there are différences.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The number of members from each are not identical<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Kavouss <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2015-03-15 16:10 GMT+01:00 Steve DelBianco <<a
href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kavouss
— I believe Jordan mentions Members or Delegates as possible ways to give the
‘community’ powers we’re considering. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If
we designate that each AC/SO/SG has a Delegate or Member, then a supermajority
(4/5) vote threshold would be required from that group to exercise these
powers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>It
may not be sufficient to just say ‘4/5 votes of the community’ since the
community is not formally defined. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>You
are correct that there is no power to force management and board to act.
But if ICANN refused to heed the instructions of a properly used community
power, the community might be motivated to remove the entire board.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 10:59 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Mathieu Weill<br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>"<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [WP1] [Party1] For discussion - criteria to select
preferred mechanisms<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear
Jordan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>THANK
you very much for the message<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>First
of all I do not really understand the meaning of the following <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>"
<em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Using California's
delegates or memberships system to vest these powers in members/delegates"
</span></em><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Moreover, one simple way would be to modify bylaws by
including a) a 4/5 voting criteria if ICANN bOARD dECIDES TO MODIFY THE BYLAWS</span></em><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>An an addition empoweringh community to even override that 4/5
DECISION ?</span></em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>In addition, your text used the Trem" forcing " .....
why such a term is used , the community would exercise its empowerment but not
forcing .</span></em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>There would be no force . we are living in a democratic world
without one could force the other.</span></em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Regards</span></em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Kavouss e</span></em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>2015-03-15
14:17 GMT+01:00 Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr"
target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Thanks Jordan for setting up this discussion. It is one we need to
carry to the whole group I believe, considering the upcoming meeting in
Istanbul. I will try to circulate a consolidated draft before our call on
Tuesday. <br>
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See some comments inline : <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Le
14/03/2015 05:08, Jordan Carter a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>I think it would be valuable to work out some criteria to help
establish our preferred mechanism - both in terms of the process/structure
divide and within those too.</span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>We
should bear in mind that the question will be about comparing options, so our
questions will be of the kind "which option would be more...". <br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Here
are some that come to mind - above and beyond the stress-tests, which will
help, and above and beyond the matters set out in our definition and scope
document:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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12.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Legal
effectiveness - how operable or entrenched would the community's new
powers be? [We can't choose a mechanism that isn't effective, in my
opinion.]<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
support the idea, but would welcome some details of how we would rate a
specific option to be more effective than the other ? <br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Decisionmaking
quality - what impact will the mechanism's construction have on quality of
decisionmaking? [This could be quite subjective but does need to be
considered.]<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
believe we can avoid most of the subjectivity by relying on the qualities of
accountability mechanisms : checks and balances and independence seem quite
relevant here. There might also be an aspect of skillsets of decision makers ? <br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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12.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Simplicity
of design - what is the level of simplicity to implement and to explain,
internally and externally? [We have a consensus that simpler is
preferable, so far as I can tell.]<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Simplicity
of operation - what is the level of attention and resource required from
the community to make the mechanism work?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Nice
and useful distinction around the expected simplicity of our proposals. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Accountability
- how is the mechanism held accountable to the stakeholders whose power it
is designed to enforce over ICANN?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
am sure there are more, and welcome your additions to the list and discussion
of the whole subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I'd
like to build off that conversation by starting a table that sets out some of
the aspects of each model based on these criteria and the others that come up,
so as to pull all the key information into one place for debate in Istanbul.
I'll start working on that tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Looking
forward to your thoughts!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Jordan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>--
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Jordan Carter<br>
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Chief Executive <br>
<b>InternetNZ</b><br>
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04 495 2118 (office) | <a href="tel:%2B64%2021%20442%20649" target="_blank">+64
21 442 649</a> (mob)<br>
<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a><br>
Skype: jordancarter<br>
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<i>A better world through a better Internet </i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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