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Thanks Greg and Steve<br>
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I had looked at some of the lawyer responses, but I will return to
the docs and look again.<br>
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<div>Paul — Greg’s answer is what I was thinking, too. </div>
<div>When you get a chance, look at the lawyer docs regarding
Member and Designator models.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Greg Shatan<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, April 10,
2015 at 12:51 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Paul Twomey<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [WP1]
Comment on various discussion of membership model<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think this is a
little different than past thoughts on membership. What
is being considered here is that current ICANN entities
(e.g., SO/AC/SG/C/RALO organizations) would themselves
be the members. This has its issues, but it probably
avoids most if not all the issues you cite. Further, I
don't think anyone is looking to change the current open
participatory model.</div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Hi Mathieu,
Thomas and Jordan<br>
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I have been following the great work of the CCWG
from outside for some time, but only recently joined
as a participant.
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I wonder if I may raise a concern, that I am not
sure how best to insert into the various working
group and other lists. I see in discussion papers
from the lawyers and in various comments on the
lists, the consideration of ICANN adopting a
membership model. Now I realise that this is only
one option and I support the approach of developing
out models for the community to consider. I am
sorry to be coming to this issue later than others,
and perhaps you will be able to parse my concern to
the right audience.<br>
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I wanted to raise my grave concerns about the
potential unintended consequences of a membership
model for ICANN. Having reviewed non-profit legal
structures throughout much of the world, I realise
that the membership model is common, particularly in
parts of Europe. But it is not a universally
accepted model.<br>
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For an international organisation serving a changing
Internet community, there is a big difference
between a "participatory" model and a "membership"
model. In 1997-99 we discussed these issues very
carefully, and settled on an open-ended
participatory model to ensure the best mix of "all
can feel free to attend and participate" with an
incentive, similar to the IETF, to reward
meritocratic participation. This also had the very
important benefit of not building anti-trust risk by
having participation limited only to a set of
members who may at some time show cartel like
behaviour. And as the litigation with Verisign
from 2003-05 showed, anti-trust and other litigation
can be a VERY significant risk to ICANN (or any
other entity with limited resources). It does not
matter what jurisdiction, judges can bring down
harsh damages for anti-trust action. Now throughout
the Verisign litigation, the courts regularly came
down on the side of ICANN, and its open
participation model was an important factor in their
evaluation of ICANN's decisions.<br>
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Further, many may not recall, but the one time ICANN
considered a form of more 'class based membership' -
the election for board members based on anyone who
had a domain name - we saw important differences.
While some regions had voters only in the hundreds (
a reflection of the activists who cared then), one
region suddenly went through a very different
dynamic. A candidate from one economy was getting
tens of thousands of votes, then suddenly a rival
economy had a candidate who attracted over 100,000
votes and then a third rival economy put forward a
candidate and was garnering tens of thousands of
votes a day, before the deadline cut this
competition off. Now, they were all excellent
candidates, but the point is that mere inter-country
rivalry resulted in very significant mobilisation of
empowered voters who were not necessarily motivated
by the mission and values of ICANN - it appeared
more a form of nationalist competition.
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I can foresee numerous scenarios where if ICANN were
to move to a membership model that such non-mission
related incentives could end up with large numbers
of members being recruited. Indeed, a membership
model may also put in place perverse incentives for
contracted or other affected parties (companies,
associations, governments, ethnic groupings) to
mobilise large numbers of members.
<i>Remember, members do not have to be participants</i>.
But by the fact of having membership they get a more
or equal say. And clever players could game
restrictions within various SOs/ACs to build
coalitions of members in each.<br>
<br>
I have seen this sort of gaming occur in several
large important membership organisations. Indeed,
in one in Australia, a roadside-assistance
organization, the membership dynamics eventually
developed into two parties which were defacto
proxies for the country's main political parties -
and the two sides spent years in the courts trying
to outdo each other.
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<br>
I apologise if this issue has already been discussed
fully by the CCWG in meetings. I just wanted to
put into the mix concerns about unintended
consequences.<br>
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Best<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Paul<br>
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