<div dir="ltr">Steve, that isn't relevant to the question, unless your suggestion is that the only way to hold the ICANN Board to account is through consensus decisionmaking.<div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>Jordan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 April 2015 at 08:32, Steve Crocker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Jordan,<div><br></div><div>I think you get different answers depending on whether you start from the premise of a world with competing interests in a zero sum game, in which case balancing power is indeed the solution, versus starting from the premise this is a shared system that benefits everyone and the most precious commodity is clue, not power.</div><div><br></div><div>In the former, it is highly beneficial to exclude people with knowledge because it tends to undermine the exercise of power.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Steve</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 15, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">If we have any designator or member concept at all, we have to allocate influence in that scheme. There is no way around it.<div><br></div><div>If we find another way to do this in terms of the "how", we will still need to allocate decision rights to the powers set out, and within that, the relative weight between parts of the community too.<br><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>Jordan</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 April 2015 at 08:10, Steve Crocker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Robin,<div><br></div><div>Currently, the SOs each provide two voting members of the ICANN Board, ALAC provides one, and the Nomcom provides eight. The CEO is also a voting member of the Board.</div><div><br></div><div>The IETF, GAC, RSSAC and SSAC each have one non-voting liaison on the Board.</div><div><br></div><div>I’m not sure how to translate all of this into the membership structure you’re discussing, and it’s even less clear how to do so in a way that preserves the balance of power. Since the ACs, with the exception of ALAC, have no voting power at all on the Board…</div><div><br></div><div>As a separate matter, I think the idea of parcelling out voting interests to competing constituencies is an absolutely terrible way to structure things, but that opens up a much larger discussion.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Steve</div></font></span><div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Thanks very much, Jordan. I've started to review the new drafts. One important concern I have is in Section 6.5.1 on this suggestion:<div> "To ensure there is (as far as possible) an equality of voting power/representation between the three SOs, the GAC, and At-Large, with lesser but present/representation for SSAC and RSSAC."</div><div><br></div><div>I believe we should not try to alter the existing voting power / representation that exists today, as represented in ICANN's board of directors, the ultimate decisional authority for the organization. So we should use the board's representational ratio as the basis for our work. It would not be appropriate for the ICANN accountability reform effort to alter the existing relationship balance between those entities. Presently on ICANN's board, SO's have double weight to the ACs, so I propose we do not alter that balance and stick to it in our work.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:30 AM, Jordan Carter wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Hi all<div><br></div><div>Please find attached the following documents:</div><div><br></div><div>- v3 of our public comment content, in PDF and .docx</div><div>- a redline tracked changes compared with V2, in PDF and .docx</div><div><br></div><div><b>ICANN staff </b>- please put these docs on the Wiki asap, and circulate the links.</div><div><br></div><div><b>Please note - I have used Word to do this, and the document is not based on the Google document. Any comments on that document have, unfortunately, not been taken into account. Please advise ASAP if there are comments for me to take into account there.</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div>thanks,</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Jordan Carter<br><br>Chief Executive <br><b>InternetNZ</b><br><br><a href="tel:04%20495%202118" value="+6444952118" target="_blank">04 495 2118</a> (office) | <a href="tel:%2B64%2021%20442%20649" value="+6421442649" target="_blank">+64 21 442 649</a> (mob)<br><a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a> <br>Skype: jordancarter<br><br><i>A better world through a better Internet </i><br><br></div></div></div>
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