<div dir="ltr">sorry, I misread Roelof's mail (late at night) - the single-member model hasn't been discussed. An equality of power between the members is what has been discussed, and multiple not single members. Designators, as I did say, is also firmly on the table.<div><br></div><div>bests</div><div>Jordan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 April 2015 at 02:46, Robin Gross <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">This was not my understanding at all. The option of SO/ACs as empowered designators is still very much alive. My understanding is whichever direction we head, the Members or Designators should become unincorporated nonprofit associations, and in neither model do they hold a fiduciary duty to the organization.<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin<br><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On Apr 14, 2015, at 6:04 AM, Roelof Meijer wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div class="h5"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Jordan, all,</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">More than a concrete question, I would like to check if I understood the high lines correctly. At the risk of oversimplifying matters. „Over" would not be good, but glancing at our timetable, I guess we can deal with a few simplifications.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">If I would have to summarize what I think I have learned, it would be something like this:</div><ul style="margin-bottom:0cm;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><li>Giving the powers we envisage to the stakeholders in some structure or another and incorporating the AoC etc in the bylaws is possible. General veto and the power to force the board to act on something are more difficult to arrange, but still possible</li><li><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri" size="3"> As for mechanisms (structure by which the community is empowered), two main ones are the most viable, each having its variances that make it simpler/more complex and/or less/more viable:</font></span></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:36pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span lang="EN-US">1. <span> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">Two-tier or “board-in-a-board” construction. Part of the board is the executive committee and runs the organization, the other members kind of „oversee”. Disadvantage: also the non-executives have fiduciary duty towards organization, cannot be forced to decide in consultation with their constituencies?<u></u><u></u></span></font></div><div style="margin-top:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-left:36pt;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span lang="EN-US">2. <span> </span></span><span lang="EN-US">Statutory membership structure, whereby the group of community representatives (Community Council or some other form) is sole statutory member of ICANN and thus a separate legal entity , Disadvantage: will have to set up separate legal entity and incorporate into ICANN bylaws<u></u><u></u></span></font></div></li></ul><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font><font face="Calibri"><br></font></font></div><div><font><font face="Calibri"><u>So my question is: Did I roughly get this right?</u></font></font></div><div><font><font face="Calibri"><br></font></font></div><div><font><font face="Calibri">Then for our group to chew on (if I got it right, that is):</font></font></div><div><font><font face="Calibri"><br></font></font></div><div><span>A reflection of the „Board-in-a-board”: the executive committee could be the CEO and NomCom appointed board members, the rest the SO and AC appointed board members. Split the board in two, so to speak, making sure the executives have a minority. Makes for a more agile, smaller executive body, no new structure</span>…</div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>A reflection on the membership structure: make the „Community Council” the sole member of ICANN (and thus a formal legal entity), consisting of either the SO and AC chairs or SO/AC elected representatives</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font><font face="Calibri"><br></font></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font><font face="Calibri">Cheers,</font></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font><font face="Calibri"><br></font></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><font><font face="Calibri">Roelof</font></font></div></div></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;border-bottom-width:medium;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-color:initial;border-left-width:medium;border-left-style:none;border-left-color:initial;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;padding-right:0in;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;border-top-style:solid;border-right-width:medium;border-right-style:none;border-right-color:initial;padding-top:3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From:<span> </span></span>Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date:<span> </span></span>dinsdag 14 april 2015 00:32<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To:<span> </span></span>"<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org" target="_blank">wp1@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:<span> </span></span>[WP1] Comments and questions please on legal docs<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr">Hi all<div><br></div><div>We discussed very briefly two documents today:</div><div><br></div><div>- the lawyers' response to our powers and mechanisms templates (PDF here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52890082/Combined%20CCWG%20Cover%20Memo%20and%20Templates.pdf?version=3&modificationDate=1428797461000&api=v2" target="_blank">Legal Assessment: Proposed Accountability Mechanisms Preliminary Response to Legal Sub-team Templates identified in Memorandum Ref CCWG/SA/002</a>)</div><div>- the lawyers' brief comments on our comment document content (PDF attached "WP1 - cover memo (CCWG powers) and online at <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52888421/WP1-%20Cover%20Memo%20%28CCWG%20Powers%29.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=1428959923199&api=v2" target="_blank">Legal Assessment: Community Empowerment Proposed Powers</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>If you have questions or comments on these, it would be very helpful for you to circulate them on this email list, or send them directly to me in reply to this email.</div><div><br></div><div>I will pass them on to the legal sub-team to make sure they get through to Counsel.</div><div><br></div><div>If you are writing questions, my suggestion is you stop and ask yourself: "Does taking time to ask this question and perhaps get it answered, help us get our comment document ready?" If the answer is that you aren't sure or is no, please don't ask the question. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div>Jordan</div><div><div><br></div>--<span> </span><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Jordan Carter<br><br>Chief Executive<span> </span><br><b>InternetNZ</b><br><br><a href="tel:04%20495%202118" value="+6444952118" target="_blank">04 495 2118</a><span> </span>(office) |<span> </span><a href="tel:%2B64%2021%20442%20649" value="+6421442649" target="_blank">+64 21 442 649</a><span> </span>(mob)<br><a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a><br>Skype: jordancarter<br><br><i>A better world through a better Internet </i><br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></div><span class="">_______________________________________________<br>WP1 mailing list<br><a href="mailto:WP1@icann.org" target="_blank">WP1@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp1" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp1</a><br></span></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Jordan Carter<br><br>Chief Executive <br><b>InternetNZ</b><br><br>04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649 (mob)<br><a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a> <br>Skype: jordancarter<br><br><i>A better world through a better Internet </i><br><br></div></div></div></div>
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