<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Roelof,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I would not say that we are not following counsels' advice. I think we are weighing counsels' advice. Personally, I agree with counsels' advice and think we should go in that direction. That said, we have practical difficulties to deal with, particularly how to turn the various SOAC entities (and conceivably other entities in the ICANN universe) into statutory members. However, many of the same difficulties appear again if we deal with turning SOACs into unincorporated associations to serve as designators (as counsel advised).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As for being slow and time-consuming, I don't disagree. This is unfortunately the byproduct of having a large group making decisions, and is not limited to legal advice. I can't say I have a solution. But I hope we can work through decisions as expeditiously as possible without undue haste.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Roelof Meijer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl" target="_blank">Roelof.Meijer@sidn.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>What I fail to understand is that -because we do not have the expertise „in house”- we hire two firms that are experts in this field, they give us their shared opinion and we do not follow that. </div>
<div>It seems to me that this is one of those things that makes this whole process sometimes so slow and incredibly time consuming.</div>
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<div>Do not misunderstand me, I respect the legal experts we have in the CCWG. But we pay (ICANN pays, so the internet community pays) dearly for this advice, they are both renown firms that we took quite some time to select. Why not accept the outcome and
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm not sure if this answers your question, but I will try.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We do have the recommendation from outside counsel that can be boiled down (though losing nuance) to the statement you quote. However, it is our decision, not the lawyers', regarding the mechanism
the CCWG will actually recommend (though such decision should duly take into account the lawyers' advice among other things). "Clarity" regarding that decision by the CCWG has not yet been achieved.</div>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">But how did we end up with the two law firms we hire stating: „</font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial;font-size:12px">On balance, “member” organization provides the clearest path
for the ICANN community to exercise the mechanisms and powers under consideration. </span><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12px">„</span></font> and our rapporteur concluding: "<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:9pt;font-style:italic">Following
the CCWG meeting on 10 April, the rapporteur had assumed there would be </span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:9pt;font-style:italic">clarity</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:9pt;font-style:italic"> regarding the proposed mechanism.
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>donderdag 16 april 2015 23:10<br>
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<div>Thanks for the call just now.</div>
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<div>Attached is the working document.</div>
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<div>Please review if you are inclined. If you have specific comments please raise them ON THE LIST rather than just to me, so anyone else can react, and I will take into account any comments on THIS version received by 0200 UTC on Friday.</div>
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<div>I will take these comments, clean the document up, do what I can in the time available to add things like the tables / options for votes, and then...</div>
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<div>... and then circulate a nice clean Final Draft for you (and a mark up showing what has changed from V3) at around
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<div>Then you will have 21h to make any final comments or thoughts.</div>
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<div>Then, I'll make final adjustments and send it to the co-chairs and staff, or wherever they tell us to send it, for incorporation in the full document.</div>
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<div>This isn't perfect work folks, but it's pretty darn good given the pace at which we are working. <u style="font-weight:bold">Thank you</u> for all the effort represented here.</div>
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