<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>Dear Steve</div><div>In transferring AoC to Bylaws, we should be vaery careful to associate lower threshold 50% +1 to all functional and operational provisions ,in particular, the seat of ICANN should have the lowest threshold for modification.</div><div>There were considerable concerns if it would be associated with higher threshold </div><div>We should think of the rapid evolution and avoid rigidity.</div><div>Pls be carefull.</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-03 9:32 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Dear Jordan</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Thank you very much for your guidelines</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Among the issue you have mentioned that </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">quote</span></p><span><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">"Not on this list is the Model itself (empowered designators,
empowered SO/AC) - my understanding is that the lawyers are being asked to
develop material on this, and that it will be central to our meeting in
Paris"</span></i></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></span><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">In this regard I wish to emphasize that the lawyers are not working
for themselves they are responding to the community requirement as discussed, announced,
emphasized and confirmed at BA</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">NO PUSH FOR ANY SPECIFIC <a href="http://MODEL.IS" target="_blank">MODEL.IS</a> EXPECTED FROM THEM.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">In fact I do not clearly know what the task before them is</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">If they want to study the famous so-called «Hybrid Model" until the
objectives of this model is not discussed at the level of CCWG and not WP1 it
seems that study is premature.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Please <span> </span>be mindful of the costs
involved </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">When I proposed a proper course of action and raised some basic
questions I was not allowed to further explain the matter.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">You told that my comments related to substance and not process.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Before we start process we need to discuss substance.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I am of the view that for Budget and Plan we do not need to go beyond
asking reconsideration, except for budget for PTI that was requested by CWG to
be put on rejection procedure</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Please reconsider the matter before going further</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">If we drop these two, the empowerment of «Designators" or” SOs and
ACs" becomes much simpler</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">We need to learn from what we have heard</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I know that few people pushing for full member model .These people
are the only persons actively contributing to WP1 thus they will override the comments
received from community and views from the few others who also actively
participating at WP1 but are in minority</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">We do not need to think of the worst cases .There is no perfection</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">IN any process there is a threshold of perfection .Never one can get
100% of perfection .That would be complex. expensive and un implementable</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Lawyers receiving their orders from their Customer and not the reverse</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">There are other lawyers than those purely dealing with California Laws</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Their advice MUST be totally consistent with and in complying with
comments received and views expressed by the majority</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">AoC currently in force is the agreement between USG and ICANN .Not all
of its provisions need to be retained or goes to Bylaws. Some of them are
purely operational and need frequent changes to comply with the evolution of
the Internet. They should be either put into separate document labelled "
other operational and functional principles " or if they moved to Bylaws
should have the lowest threshold ,i.e. "Simple Majority». An example of
that is the SEAT OF ICANN.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">We need to be mindful that not everybody wants a high threshold to
modify the Seat.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Durations of the terms of the directors are another example.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Election procedure
is the third examples.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Many of these
provisions were written a decade ago</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I said what
should have been said by A PARTICIPANT </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div><div>We need to reconsider the guidelines given above </div><div>Regards </div><div><br></div><div>Kavouss a Participant to CCWG</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-03 1:38 GMT+02:00 Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">Hi,<br>
<br>
I always thought those guys had better sense than I do.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<span><br>
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On 02-Jul-15 18:46, Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
> Thank you Avri<br>
><br>
> A worrying silence beyond you!<br>
><br>
> Keith D? Jonathan Z? Fiona? Others?<br>
><br>
> best<br>
> Jordan<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 2 July 2015 at 15:38, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a><br>
</span><span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 01-Jul-15 23:29, Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
> > Affirmation of Commitments - inclusion of AOC reviews in bylaws<br>
> > Affirmation of Commitments - other matters (what happens to AOC,<br>
> etc)<br>
><br>
> I am willing to work on this.<br>
><br>
> Also some of the comments discussed the need to include more details<br>
> that would not go into the bylaws themselves, e.g issues about how<br>
> many<br>
> people from which group. Is it enough to indicate the need to<br>
> such work<br>
> or does that work need to be , at least, sketched out?<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
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