<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Edward,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I have no interest in empowering the Intellectual Property Constituency (or any other constituency in the Commercial Stakeholders Group or the Noncommercial Stakeholders Group) "at the expense of others." (I have no idea where that idea came from.) I am interested in preventing the disenfranchisement and exclusion of these constituencies. (However, I will confine my remarks to the constituencies placed in the Commercial Stakeholder Group, since there are issues peculiar to the separation and subsidiarity (or lack thereof) of the NCSG, NCUC and NPOC that are beyond scope here.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I did not have any specific solution to this problem, so it is rather bizarre to start doing any math. As Mark Twain is supposed to have said: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Your math falls squarely in the third category. The math you did was based on a series of extreme assumptions of your own design and choice. It is an absurdist and alarmist fantasy that perhaps serves some purpose as propaganda, but serves no purpose as analysis and only serves to stifle rational discussion and to obfuscate the issue at hand. The issue is simple: all I'm asking for is a seat at the table. How we get there is a different question.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Similarly lacking in any relationship to reality is the idea that the "power balances" at ICANN have been "carefully negotiated over the past decade and a half." This fails on several levels. First, overall power balances at ICANN take place almost entirely at the SO/AC level, so the issue of power balances within the GNSO has generally been almost irrelevant outside the GNSO. With the recent rise in cross-community working groups and other efforts, that is only now changing. Second, the current "power balance" in the GNSO only dates back to 2010. Third, the current "power balance" in the GNSO was an attempt to deal with governance issues at the GNSO Council; it was not intended to provide a template for "power balances" across ICANN as a whole. (Whether it was a successful attempt should have been part of the GNSO review, but that's another story....) (Whether the recent shift in GNSO "power balances" was "carefully negotiated" and whether the goals of that shift (which I believe included increasing diversity in the non-commercial interests) have been achieved, I'll leave to others or another time; I don't think it's either constructive or relevant to explore them in this forum.) Fourth, under the current "power balance" in the GNSO, the IPC still gets "a seat at the table" (two seats at the GNSO Council table, actually), and the ability to participate freely in any GNSO Working Group. These fundamental tenets of the current GNSO "power balance" need to be honored in any attempt to "borrow" the GNSO current allocation and apply it in larger circumstances. Doing otherwise unacceptably distorts and perverts the GNSO "power balance." Using it to deny the IPC (or any other single constituency) a seat, a voice, and a vote in any larger governance mechanism smacks of "voter suppression" and a denial of fundamental rights to participate in ICANN governance, rather than any attempt to reflect a legitimate balance of power.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I also reject the implication that examining this issue will any way "derail" the transition. This is precisely the kind of issue that we need to get right in order to have a transition. How can we purport to be turning over stewardship or accountability to the global multistakeholder community if we put forth a proposal that freezes out two out of the three constituencies that were placed in the Commercial Stakeholder Group, leaving them with their noses pressed against the glass?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">When a suggestion is finally made, it is inoperably vague: "porting" the "current ATRT organizational representation". This seems odd, since this is was hardly created through a bottom-up process, nor is it used in a bottom-up fashion. Also, the ATRT composition is only generally described in the Affirmation of Commitments, and gives broad discretion to the GAC Chair and the ICANN Board Chair as to the size and composition of the ATRT. As a result, it has been executed differently in ATRT1 and ATRT2, neither of which seem to match the percentages supplied in the suggestion. The AoC simply provides:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">The review will be performed by volunteer community members and the review team will be constituted and published for public comment, and will include the following (or their designated nominees): the Chair of the </span><abbr title="Governmental Advisory Committee" style="direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">GAC</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">, the Chair of the Board of<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"> </div></span><abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers" style="direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">ICANN</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">, the Assistant Secretary for Communications and Information of the </span><abbr title="Department of Commerce (USA)" style="direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">DOC</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">, representatives of the relevant </span><abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers" style="direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">ICANN</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px"> </span><abbr title="Advisory Committees" style="direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">Advisory Committees</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px"> and </span><abbr title="Supporting Organizations" class="" style="direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">Supporting Organizations</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px"> and independent experts. Composition of the review team will be agreed jointly by the Chair of the </span><abbr title="Governmental Advisory Committee" style="direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">GAC</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px"> (in consultation with </span><abbr title="Governmental Advisory Committee" style="direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">GAC</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">members) and the Chair of the Board of </span><abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers" class="" style="direction:ltr;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dotted;border-bottom-color:rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">ICANN</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);line-height:22.3999996185303px">. </span></font></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">ATRT1 was composed of 4 GNSO reps, 2 ccNSO reps, 4 government reps (GAC Chair, US rep and 2 GAC members), 1 ASO member and 1 ALAC member.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">ATRT2 was composed of 2 GNSO reps, 2 ccNSO reps, 5 government reps (as above, plus 1 additional GAC member as an independent expert), 1 ASO member, 2 ALAC members and 1 SSAC member. (Neither of these match the apparent suggestion of 2 GNSO, 2 ALAC, 2 ccNSO, 1 ASO, 1 GAC and 1 SSAC.) If one of these is the suggestion, at least proportionately, it should be clarified.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As far as the suggestion that current arrangements must be respected, I might be able to support that if current voting arrangements within the GNSO were truly respected, where each of the IPC, BC and ISPCP has seats at the table and a vote. As noted above, any suggestion that excludes two of these groups in no way respects current arrangements or apportions participants according to the GNSO's internal voting arrangements. Two separate and long-standing constituencies cannot be eliminated as a "rounding error."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Finally, there is nothing "top down" about my general suggestion. It's being made right here from the bottom in a bottom-up process. And clearly there is nothing "micro-managed" about my suggestion, since I supplied no detail. Once again, it appears that words are being used for their propaganda value, rather than their meaning. As for the desire to reflect the status quo -- at the risk of being redundant, any status quo has to respect the existence of the IPC, BC and ISPCP. Within that broad concept there are many possibilities, which do not in any way have to disrupt the "balance of power" in ICANN (whatever that actually may be). I would be happy to explore these options in a rational and substantive manner.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 5:49 AM, Edward Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank">egmorris1@toast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><span class=""><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Simply put, the GNSO has more than 5 separate, discrete and formally chartered stakeholder groups; it has 7. Each of these groups operate separately and self-sufficiently, and each deserves a seat at the table. If any two or more of these groups chooses to be viewed as a combination and/or to operate primarily as a combined organization, and share a single seat, that should be their prerogative. However, unless such a choice is made, the reality that these groups are separate must be honored. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Which is the position I would take were I a leader of a GNSO NCPH commercial constituency interested in empowering my entity at the expense of others. Under Greg's proposal, NCPH commercial interests would receive 42.8% of the seats allocated to the GNSO, a far greater percentage than they would receive under the weighted voting procedure currently used in the GNSO. Indeed, this proposal would see the Commercial Stakehokder Group alone receive more seats than the entire Contracted Party House and would give them 60% of the seats awarded to the NCPH ratter than 50% of NCPH power sharing in the current arrangement. </div><div><br></div><div>This is not acceptable. The transition should not be used to alter power balances within ICANN that have been carefully negotiated over the past decade and one half. Indeed, if diversity were the value to be promoted the noncommercial interests, the largest in number and most diverse in origin in all of ICANN, should be tapped for greater representation in the new model. I am not suggesting this at this time in recognition that the entire transition could be derailed if we attempt to rearrange power balances within ICANN. </div><div><br></div><div>Rather I would suggest that the current ATRT organizational representation balance be ported into the new model. Although the actual numbers involved may, of course, be increased the proportional balance ( under which the GNSO, ALAC and ccNSO receive about 22% of the seats and the ASO, GAC and SSAC about 11%) should not be changed as envisioned in the initial post. I write this as one who believes that the GNSO is seriously underrepresented in this arrangement. The CCWG ACCT should also not get involved in apportioning the seats between groups within the SOAC's. Rather current arrangements must be respected and seats and participants apportioned according to internal voting arrangements within the SOAC's. This is truly bottom up status quo rather than the top down micromanaged power rearrangement by the CCWG ACCT suggested in Greg's post or the numerical rearrangement suggested in the initial post.</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Steve DelBianco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Jordan Carter<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 11:29 PM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[WP1] WP1 Work to Do - Now to July - Please Read<br>
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<div>Thanks for the contributions on our work planning call for Work Party 1 today.
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<div>A separate note later today or early tomorrow will outline the WP1 meetings we need to have between now and 14 July.</div>
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<div>We have three pieces of work to do by the end of the month. They are listed below, and then some detail fleshed out in the rest of this email, along with the
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<div>Three things need to be done:</div>
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<div><b>1. Prepare draft content for our Second Public Comment report, for discussion at Paris & finalising by end month</b></div>
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<div><b>On 1:</b> the chunks of work we need to do are to prepare updated content that takes account of:</div>
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<div>This draft material should be done in time for the Paris meeting, and so has to respect the document freeze on 14 July. </div>
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<div>We need to do this for the following areas, and we need a Lead Volunteer for each area:</div>
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<div>Community Mechanism - whether there is a Council, or just a vote counting mechanism</div>
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<div>Community Power - Budget/Strat Plan / Operating Plan</div>
<div>Community Power - Blocking ordinary bylaws changes</div>
<div>Community Power - Approving Fundamental Bylaws changes</div>
<div>Community Power - Removal of individual Directors</div>
<div>Community Power - Recall of the whole ICANN Board</div>
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<div>Affirmation of Commitments - inclusion of AOC reviews in bylaws</div>
<div>Affirmation of Commitments - other matters (what happens to AOC, etc)</div>
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<div>Not on this list is the Model itself (empowered designators, empowered SO/AC) - my understanding is that the lawyers are being asked to develop material on this, and that it will be central to our meeting in Paris.</div>
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<div><b>If there are areas of work omitted above, please raise them ASAP</b>. </div>
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<div>If you would like to <b>volunteer</b> to lead any particular piece of work for the above,
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<div>Ideally, there will be one volunteer for each of the lines above. I have some people who have agreed to be "voluntold" - Avri and Matt Shears are in this category. But for the start, free choice!</div>
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<div>The task will be to be lead writer on a tracked changes version of the PC1 content, showing what you propose to change for the Second report. </div>
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<div>The approach asked is to:</div>
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<div>The example Steve delBianco circulated earlier today is a way to do it.</div>
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<div>Your drafting will lead to discussion of your proposed content in WP1. We will do as much as we can to improve the drafts and get consensus, but we will debate all the material through in Paris is my current knowledge.</div>
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<div>On <b>item 2 - bylaws drafting - </b>Steve has started this process with the AOC and we will discuss this content on our next WP1 call.</div>
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<div>On <b>item 3 - public comments replies -</b> I propose that people take some account of this as they do the drafting work, and be prepared to spend some time on completing this task (responses to the comments we got in PC1) *after* the Paris meeting.</div>
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<div>I look forward to your thoughts as to any gaps in the proposed work, and to your volunteering excellence.</div>
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