<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>It sounds good</div><div>Such a short call does not require full participation of all</div><div>The lesser and the more familiar people with the topic ,the better.</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-07-12 7:03 GMT+02:00 Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Your message was clear. Just adding a tiny bit of irreverence. Alan<span><br>
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Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.<br><br></span><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On July 12, 2015 12:06:53 AM EDT, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div class="h5">
<div dir="ltr">hi Alan, all: <div><br></div><div>That is more than fair enough and I should have been clearer that I do not expect or demand (!) or voluntell (!!) anyone to participate in this call. Anyone is very welcome to but nobody needs to do so. </div><div><br></div><div>I'll write a short summary of it and send to the list once it is done.</div><div><br></div><div>best</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 12 July 2015 at 16:00, Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div><div class="h5">At 5 am on a Sunday morning, I think I will pass on this one. <br>
<br>
Alan<br>
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Sent from my mobile. Please excuse brevity and typos.<br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><span>On July 11, 2015 11:15:46 PM EDT, Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="h5"><span>Dear WP1 colleagues<div><br></div><div>As agreed on our call on 10 July, I approached the CoChairs to find out how to get the lawyers looking at the caretaker board framework that would be needed if the community exercised the power to recall the entire ICANN Board.</div><div><br>This exchange led to Mathieu suggesting a quick call with the lawyers to set out what work needs to be done.</div><div><br></div><div>That call will happen <b>Sunday 12 July at 0900 UTC</b> and should last ten or fifteen minutes.</div><div><br></div><div>So I have written the background information below, and copied the note Keith Drazek took us through on the 10 July call.</div><div><br></div><div>The <b>purpose </b>of the phone call is <b>not </b>to hear the lawyers' proposals about how to do the caretaker issue - it is to make sure they are <b>clear about what the issue of the caretaker board is, and when we need some material in writing from them
on the
subject.</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div>I regret the late notice of this call. We are only going ahead with it to get the lawyers to start thinking on these matters, so they have done some of that thinking before we meet with them in Paris.</div><div><br></div><div>None of the discussion we have with them on this call on 12 July will close any options or pre-judge any solutions. </div><div><br></div><div>best,</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><span>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Jordan Carter</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>></span><br>Date: 12 July 2015 at 15:09<br>Subject: Caretaker Board background & what WP1 needs (was Re: Legal advice on caretaker board issue)<br>To: Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>Cc: "Rosemary E. Fei" <<a href="mailto:rfei@adlercolvin.com" target="_blank">rfei@adlercolvin.com</a>>, Holly Gregory <<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com" target="_blank">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a>>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>>, Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de" target="_blank">rickert@anwaelte.de</a>>, Cheryl Langdon-Orr <<a href="mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com" target="_blank">langdonorr@gmail.com</a>>, stevedelbianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>>, ICANN-Adler <<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com" target="_blank">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a>>, ACCT-Staff <<a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org" target="_blank">acct-staff@icann.org</a>><br><br><br></span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="h5">Thank you Mathieu, all.<div><br></div><div>I believe thi
s call
is set for 0900 UTC on Sunday 12 July. I look forward to, hopefully, a brief conversation then. I'll forward this to WP1.</div><span><div><br></div><div><b>By way of background</b>, noting this is content I am writing for this email and may not reflect consensus in WP1:</div></span><div><ul><span><li>One of the proposed community powers is to recall the entire ICANN Board.</li><li>Our First Public Comment Report noted some issues that need to be solved to deal with the follow-on requirements caused by such an action by the community.</li><li>Where a Board is removed through such a process, there is a need to know who will hold office as Directors.</li><li>This could be the outgoing Board, or an agreed immediate appointment of some group of people to act as Directors to govern the corporation.</li></span><li>In either case it is likely that this Board should/must have a "caretaker" ethos - it should be a short term governing group whose role is to
govern
in a status quo fashion insofar as i
s
possible until new directors are appointed.</li><div><div><li>There will need to be an expedited process to appoint new directors following the recall of the whole Board - the usual processes take too long in some cases.</li></div></div></ul><div><div><div>When we discussed these matters in Istanbul in March, I recall verbal comments from counsel that developing a caretaker Board framework would not be complicated.</div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div>Some of the comments received in response to our PC1 report relate to this issue, and WP1 members have started to take these into account in the attached redline document. <b>Page 2 para 246</b> starts the discussion.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>What WP1 needs help with </b></div><div><b><br></b></div></div></div><div>We need counsel's help to draft text for the Second Public Comment Report that sets out an effective, lightweight caretaker board proposal, broa
dly
consistent with what was in our PC1 report and with the attached draft (subject to
tweaks
agreed in Paris).</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div>It should deal, in my view and at a high level, with the following:</div><div><ul><li>Who takes over as directors if the entire board is recalled</li><li>What happens to the President and CEO</li><li>What high level process leads to re/appointments of longer term directors</li><li>What the "caretaker" responsibilities or limits on Board authorities are, and how these are described/enforced</li><li>Any other related matters</li></ul></div><div><br></div><div>It does not have to be done in great detail but it needs to be of sufficient extent and quality that it is persuasive for the CCWG that there is a workable, reliable governance of ICANN in place if this power is exercised, until appointment of longer term directors occurs.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>When do we need it by</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div>We need it in time to review, change and incorporate in the Public Comment Report 2, -- so
realistically we need to see draft material no later than about <b>22 July</b>.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>What should we discuss on the call on 12 July at 0900 UTC?</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div>I think this is a very short call, to take any questions you may have about what I have set out above.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Look forward to the discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>best</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 July 2015 at 18:37, Mathieu Weill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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Hi Jordan, <br>
<br>
Do set a time and date as you see fit, you know the question, you
are necessary. <br>
<br>
Leon and/or I will try to accomadate, even over the WE for me. I'm
copying Icann staff so that we can organize support. <br>
<br>
We'll need to inform WP1 of the upcoming call. <br>
<br>
Mathieu </div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">[snip]<br>
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On Saturday, 11 July 2015, Mathieu Weill <<span><a>mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a></span><mailto:<span><a>mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a></span>>>
wrote:<br>
Hi Jordan,<br>
<br>
The topic does need further research indeed.<br>
<br>
Ideally, we would set up a quick call with holly
and/or Rosemary to clarify the issues to
investigate. Anything you can start in terms of
clarifying the request upfront is of course useful.<br>
<br>
Is Monday still feasible ?<br>
<br>
Mathieu Weill<br>
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Depuis mon mobile, désolé pour le style<br>
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Le 10 juil. 2015 à 22:17, Jordan Carter <<span><a>jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a></span>>
a écrit :<br>
<br>
Dear Leon<br>
<br>
On the WP1 call this morning, we recognised the need
to seek assistance from our counsel regarding the
matter of a caretaker board where a community power
to recall the whole ICANN Board is exercised.<br>
<br>
Can you advise whether this can be passed to them,
or whether you would like me to specify the question
more clearly?<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
Jordan<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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