<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Hi Jordan</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Just to be clear:</div><ol style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><li>We are now talking about veto of the annual operating plan and annual budget, which is extremely time sensitive…not about the veto of the 5 year strat or op plan.</li><li>With all due respect Jordan, “all that would happen is that the previous year’s budget would roll over” will not work – what about new community projects and expenses that did not exist in the previous year? What if the number of staff was different (higher), would we say, let’s not pay the additional staff? What if the meeting venues happen to be in more expensive countries, how could we use the previous year’s budget to pay the venue operators? </li><li>Please note, this is very different from the case of the <b><i><u>IANA budget</u></i></b>. Cherine’s proposal states very clearly that fallback to the previous year’s IANA budget would be acceptable.</li></ol><div>I want to quote Cherine to re-emphasize my previous points: "The best way to empower the community is to enshrine in the Bylaws a community input process and a consultation process into the development of the Annual Operating Plan and Budget, as well as the power to Veto any deviation from the approved Operating Plan and Budget that are inconsistent with the Strategic Plan and the Mission. Remember that the community will have the power to remove individual Directors or recall the entire Board. This is the ultimate power compared to just freezing a number and creating chaos for everyone; community included.”</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Asha</div><div class=""><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Saturday, 10 October 2015 1:30 am<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Asha Hemrajani <<a href="mailto:asha.hemrajani@icann.org">asha.hemrajani@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org">wp1@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:wp1@icann.org">wp1@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [WP1] Budget<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Hi Asha,<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2015 at 06:28, Asha Hemrajani <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asha.hemrajani@icann.org" target="_blank">asha.hemrajani@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div>Hi Jordan, Greg and Jonathan</div><div><br></div><div><snip><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"> </span></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div>Jordan/Greg/Jonathan – I hear where you are coming from re veto being a last resort. Speaking on my own behalf, I am not commenting on vetos on other items…but a veto on an annual budget which is so time sensitive and on such a short cycle, can be catastrophic fiscally. I would shudder to think what would happen if budget was vetoed…I would rather work on text to ensure we don’t ever get to that stage.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If the Board persisted in pushing through a budget against all the advice of the community through all the consultation processes that have been discussed that led to a veto, and then another one, the Board would be the making of its own problem. The Board, and nobody else, would be responsible for whatever damage occurred.</div><div><br></div><div>Besides which, no damage would occur. The idea of a catastrophe is a nonsense. All that would happen is the previous year's budget would roll over.</div><div><br></div><div>Please stop dramatising this.</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small">Jordan Carter<br><br>Chief Executive <br><b>InternetNZ</b><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small"><br>+64-4-495-2118 (office) | +64-21-442-649 (mob)<br>Email: <a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a> <br>Skype: jordancarter<br></div><div style="font-size:small">Web: <a href="http://www.internetnz.nz" target="_blank">www.internetnz.nz</a> </div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small"><br><i>A better world through a better Internet </i></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></body></html>