[WP2] this is the current text of the Mission Commitments and Core Values language
Avri Doria
avri at acm.org
Fri Jul 24 04:32:52 UTC 2015
Hi,
I support dropping it.
avri
On 24-Jul-15 01:03, Paul Rosenzweig wrote:
>
> I’m sorry to be joining this late, but fwiw my view is that I =would=
> in fact die in the ditch for the certainty that ICANN is limited by
> the restated bylaws mission that we are giving it. That is so,
> irrespective of who or what is giving the advice to do otherwise – an
> SO; an AC; or even at the Board’s own initiative. Indeed, confining
> ICANN to bylaws compliance is the sine qua non of our accountability
> effort.
>
>
>
> To that end, I could support Becky’s compromise proposal since it
> retains the core of that idea. I would not support Thomas’ suggestion
> that the entire reference be dropped …
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul Rosenzweig
>
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>
>
>
> *From:*Burr, Becky [mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:29 PM
> *To:* James Gannon; Thomas Rickert
> *Cc:* wp2 at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
>
>
>
> Yes
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932 Mobile:
> +1.202.352.6367 / becky.burr at neustar.biz
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>
>
>
> *From: *James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net
> <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>>
> *Date: *Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM
> *To: *Becky Burr <becky.burr at neustar.biz
> <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz>>, Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de
> <mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>>
> *Cc: *Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>, "wp2 at icann.org
> <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>" <wp2 at icann.org <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *RE: [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
>
>
>
> Just so I’m clear
>
>
>
> The suggestion is to remove the chapeau from the ACs section, and
> insert a line into the IRP stating that it’s a valid cause to initiate
> an IRP?
>
>
>
> -James
>
>
>
> *From:*Burr, Becky [mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 9:25 PM
> *To:* Thomas Rickert
> *Cc:* Greg Shatan; James Gannon; wp2 at icann.org <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
>
>
>
> I have a further compromise to offer – The IRP section should say that
> a materially affected party can bring a claim regarding bylaws
> violations, including ICANN’s decision to follow the recommendation of
> an SO or AC that requires it to violate the bylaws.
>
>
>
> FWIW, I don’t think this is a theoretical issue
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932 Mobile:
> +1.202.352.6367 / becky.burr at neustar.biz
> <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz <http://www.neustar.biz>
>
>
>
> *From: *Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de <mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>>
> *Date: *Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 3:45 PM
> *To: *Becky Burr <becky.burr at neustar.biz <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz>>
> *Cc: *Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>, James Gannon
> <james at cyberinvasion.net <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>>,
> "wp2 at icann.org <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>" <wp2 at icann.org
> <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
>
>
>
> I suggest we drop it.
>
>
>
> Thomas
>
> ========
>
> rickert.net
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>
>
>
> PS - Sent from my cell. Please excuse typos and brevity.
>
>
> Am 23.07.2015 um 20:41 schrieb Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz
> <mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz>>:
>
> Actually, that is the Eberhard Lisse test
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932 Mobile:
> +1.202.352.6367 / becky.burr at neustar.biz
> <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz
> <http://www.neustar.biz>
>
>
>
> *From: *Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> *Date: *Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 11:36 AM
> *To: *James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net
> <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>>
> *Cc: *"Perez Galindo, Rafael" <RPEREZGA at minetur.es
> <mailto:RPEREZGA at minetur.es>>, Becky Burr <becky.burr at neustar.biz
> <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz>>, "wp2 at icann.org
> <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>" <wp2 at icann.org <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> Actually, I have some sympathy for Jorge's argument -- that the
> insertion of this language regarding actions violating the
> Mission/Bylaws is intended to change the status quo. At the
> least, it's a pointed reminder -- the kind that typically gets
> made after bad behavior ("Tenants are reminded not to leave
> garbage in the hallways" gets sent around my building only after
> some tenants start leaving garbage in the hallways.) So it can
> easily be seen as a warning and not merely a restatement of the
> status quo ("We see what you're trying to do. Remember...")
>
>
>
> Also, is there really a lack of clarity regarding the Board's
> authority or lack thereof to act outside its Mission or to violate
> the Bylaws? Does this bare-bones statement really add clarity?
> I'm not seeing that there is or that it does.
>
>
>
> Further, while the statement is generally true, we are putting it
> in a specific place -- juxtaposing it with AC advice. As such it
> would clearly be understood to be aimed at that advice and
> declaring a "line in the sand" with regard to such advice The new
> suggestion of adding this to SO's only doubles down on this.
>
>
>
> At best, this language is redundant. At worst, it is language that
> will have an unknown effect on current activity.
>
>
>
> I would suggest applying the "Bart Boswinkel Test" in this case --
> "Would you die in a ditch for it?" In this case, my answer is no.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:21 AM, James Gannon
> <james at cyberinvasion.net <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>> wrote:
>
> And let me say we appreciate the input by Spain but I must say
> that I think many of us don’t understand the reasoning behind
> an objection to ratifying the status quo into the bylaws, and
> to Jorges point I would happily support placing the same
> caveat over the SO’s also.
>
>
>
> -James
>
>
>
> *From:*Perez Galindo, Rafael [mailto:RPEREZGA at minetur.es
> <mailto:RPEREZGA at minetur.es>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 3:30 PM
> *To:* Burr, Becky; James Gannon; wp2 at icann.org
> <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
>
>
>
> The answer to your question is in my first mail, which clearly
> states that “This is without prejudice to the Board accepting
> or turning down GAC Advice”.
>
>
>
> But let me ask you now your own question the other way around.
> Do you reckon that at this very moment in time the Board can
> violate its Bylaws if the GAC advises it to do so?
>
>
>
> The answer is no (I guess). So, why do you insist on adding
> this new provision? It seems worrisome to me that you think
> that the Board could be right now (and the last 17 years)
> violating its own Bylaws under demand of the GAC, and you/we
> are at last fixing this huge problem, grasping the opportunity
> that the CCWG provides.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> PS Let me add here that I am only trying to understand and
> engaging as Spanish Gov rep., and I am not at all talking on
> behalf of other countries nor the GAC, which may or may not
> have more difficulty than me to support the changes put
> forward by the CCWG.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *De:*Burr, Becky [mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz]
>
> *Enviado el:*jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 15:16
> *Para:* James Gannon; Perez Galindo, Rafael; wp2 at icann.org
> <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>
> *Asunto:* Re: [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
> *Importancia:* Alta
>
>
>
> More important Rafael, how does the language that prohibits
> ICANN from acting in violation of its bylaws reduce the
> authority of the GAC or the scope of GAC Advice? The GAC may
> give Advice on any topic it wants, in any manner it likes.
> The only limit is that ICANN cannot act on that Advice if it
> would involve violating the Bylaws. Are you saying that you
> think ICANN can violate its bylaws if GAC advises it to do
> so? That seems very worrisome to me.
>
>
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy
> Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932 <tel:%2B%201.202.533.2932> Mobile:
> +1.202.352.6367
> <tel:%2B1.202.352.6367> / becky.burr at neustar.biz
> <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz
> <http://www.neustar.biz>
>
>
>
> *From: *James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net
> <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>>
> *Date: *Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 8:37 AM
> *To: *"Perez Galindo, Rafael" <RPEREZGA at minetur.es
> <mailto:RPEREZGA at minetur.es>>, Becky Burr
> <becky.burr at neustar.biz <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz>>,
> "wp2 at icann.org <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>" <wp2 at icann.org
> <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *RE: [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
>
>
>
> To put this simply, the Board cannot act outside of its
> bylaws. No matter what the source of the reasoning for those
> actions.
>
> We are merely reflecting that reality in the by-laws.
>
>
>
> -James Gannon
>
>
>
> *From:*wp2-bounces at icann.org <mailto:wp2-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:wp2-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Perez Galindo,
> Rafael
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:25 PM
> *To:* Burr, Becky; wp2 at icann.org <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I would like to again raise a strong concern on the proposed
> language establishing a general prohibition on ICANN acting on
> any advice of any advisory committee that would require ICANN
> to exceed its mission or violate its bylaws.
>
>
>
> Managing the Internet system of unique identifiers in the
> public interest is the first and foremost mission of ICANN
> (sections 2 and 3 of the AoC and sections 3 and 4 of the AoI).
> On their part, governments are responsible for public policy
> and obliged to protect the general public interest (ICANN
> Bylaws Article I Section 2.11, Tunis Agenda para 68 and 69,
> and page 6 of the Net Mundial Statement). It is the GAC who
> brings the public policy perspective into ICANN.
>
>
>
> The “global public interest” in ICANN’s context concerns not
> only the operational stability of the Internet. That is an
> essential issue, but there are more aspects to the many public
> interest issues actually encompassed by ICANN’s actions and
> policies. For instance, other important issues that go beyond
> the technical stability, such as intellectual property rights
> protection, privacy and law enforcement, cyber bullying,
> Public Interest Commitments regarding new gTLD, highly
> regulated sectors, and human rights, are at stake because they
> have an inherent impact on global public interest, and
> therefore can be subject to GAC’s Advice. In conclusion, GAC
> Advice should not be restricted to ICANN’s Bylaws.
>
>
>
> This is without prejudice to the Board accepting or turning
> down GAC Advice.
>
>
>
> Hence, we oppose this new proposal or any new one that
> restricts GACs scope, sets boundaries to the Advice it may
> give, or refrains it from exercising its role of protection of
> public interest in ICANN’s multistakeholder environment.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Rafael
>
> GAC_SPAIN
>
>
>
>
>
> *De:*wp2-bounces at icann.org <mailto:wp2-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:wp2-bounces at icann.org] *En nombre de *Burr, Becky
> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 13:57
> *Para:* wp2 at icann.org <mailto:wp2 at icann.org>
> *Asunto:* [WP2] this is the current text of the Mission
> Commitments and Core Values language
>
>
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy
> Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932 <tel:%2B%201.202.533.2932> Mobile:
> +1.202.352.6367
> <tel:%2B1.202.352.6367> / becky.burr at neustar.biz
> <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz
> <http://www.neustar.biz>
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