<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think the rationale was that any particular government or public authority is only responsible for public policy within its own jurisdiction.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thus, that would mean that governments and public authorities are only responsible for public policy within their respective jurisdictions.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Without this addition, one could read the original statement to propose that any government or grouping of governments can take on a public policy issue, without being limited to their jurisdiction or jurisdiction(s).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Mathieu Weill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Thanks Becky,<br>
<br>
I remember some pushback from the right side of the room on the
jurisdiction but am not sure who. Someone reminded me privately of
this part of the Tunis agenda, which specifically does not mention
this : « Policy authority for Internet-related public policy issues
is the sovereign right of States. <span lang="EN-US">They have
rights and responsibilities for international Internet-related
public policy issues. » (para 35 I think). <br>
<br>
But as I said, my main concern so far is that I am unable to
locate our own rationale for that proposal. We were also
challenged about not providing the rationale for our core value
changes. I'd like to help bridging this gap. <br>
<br>
So if someone could expand about why they feel so strongly about
it ? <br>
<br>
Mathieu<br>
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</span><span><br>
<div>Le 22/07/2015 18:12, Burr, Becky a
écrit :<br>
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<div>The suggestion for using ATRT language is a good one.</div>
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<div>I don’t remember pushback on the "within their respective
jurisdictions" language in Paris – and I would have because
several members of WP2 feel very strongly about this point.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">J. Beckwith Burr<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Mathieu Weill
<<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>
</span><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"<a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>"
<<a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>><span><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, July
22, 2015 at 6:43 AM<br>
</span><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>,
Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:wp2@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wp2@icann.org" target="_blank">wp2@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:wp2@icann.org" target="_blank">wp2@icann.org</a>><span><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [WP2]
slightly revised mission, commitments, core values for
discussion later today<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span>Dear WP2 colleagues,<br>
<br>
I want to thank all of you for trying very hard to find
agreement on all these topics. I appreciate how everyone is
keeping an open mind.
<br>
<br>
I may have missed this in the discussions but what is the
rationale for inserting the words "within their respective
jurisdictions" in Core Value 7 (ex-11). I remember we had
some pushback on this in Paris.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;display:inline!important;float:none">While
remaining rooted in the [private sector], including
business stakeholders, civil society, the technical
community, and academia, recognizing that governments
and public authorities are responsible for public
policy<span> </span></span><u style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium">within
their respective jurisdictions</u><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;display:inline!important;float:none"><span> </span>and
duly taking into account the public policy advice of
governments and public authorities </span></span></blockquote>
<br>
The proposed addition in Article XI of the sentence below
is also attracting some pushback.
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">or where the Advisory Committee has
not explained the specific reason(s) for its advice.</blockquote>
My personal view is that it may not be most appropriate to
have this criteria in the same sentence and at the same
level as "not exceeding the Mission".
<br>
<br>
I also wonder whether we could find ATRT agreed language on
the provision of rationales in support of advice. It seemed
to me that these reviews had contributed to significant
improvements in that regard and the use of "agreed language"
often helps when time is short. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
<div>Le 21/07/2015 20:43, Burr,
Becky a écrit :<br>
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<div><span>
<div>Whoops, apologies – will fix that in the
discussion</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday,
July 21, 2015 at 2:36 PM<br>
</span><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Becky Burr
<<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:wp2@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wp2@icann.org" target="_blank">wp2@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:wp2@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wp2@icann.org" target="_blank">wp2@icann.org</a>><div><div><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[WP2] slightly revised mission, commitments, core
values for discussion later today<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
Looks good - except it is missing the critical word
of "not". So it should read:
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<div><i><span><span>[...] </span><span style="color:red">ICANN shall have no
authority to act or refrain from acting in
response to <s><span style="background:yellow">input</span></s><span style="background:yellow"> advice</span> from an
Advisory Committee where such advice would
require ICANN to exceed its Mission or
violate these Bylaws <span style="background:yellow">
or where the Advisory Committee has not
explained the specific reason(s) for its
advice.</span></span></span></i> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Robin</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Burr, Becky
wrote:</div>
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