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<div>This is not an official position from ICANN, but rather some information that I have gained from being on staff and seeing some of the IRPs. </div>
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<div>To date, the parties to the IRPs have essentially treated them as mediation; the panelists tend to be experienced professional arbitrators or retired jurists. For the lawyers among this group, the selection is basically handled as in any other arbitration.
As a standing panel is developed, the ability to add additional areas of expertise to the mix could be one of the benefits, as well as the “on the job” training that would come from hearing multiple IRPs aboutt ICANN.</div>
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<div>One of the issues that we have to keep in mind – and that we encountered as we started looking into the whole standing panel issue in 2012 – is that it’s not difficult to imagine that your more regular arbitrators may not be in a position to be in the
“on call” status that we could find due to a slow down (or in the case of pre-new gTLD Program, just pure lack of numbers of IRPs) because of the timing of their “other” work (arbitrations, etc.). We are going to have to carefully balance a reasonable retainer
and rate that keeps the IRP accessible, while also attracting the right level and depth of panel members. I see a risk in the alternative, which is creating the panel as some people’s full time jobs, particularly if we’re searching out a certain level of
expertise, as that would likely price us out of many that we’d otherwise wish to serve. </div>
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<div>(I know we’re in freeze right now, but…) If I have a vote on length of term, I’d say no longer than the length of term of a Board member, along with rights of renewal. If we’re already concerned that a 3 year cycle for selection of board members is too
long if the community is not happy with their appointees, then I don’t see that we should give more leeway to the panel that has the power to develop binding and precedential decisions over those same Board members.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:wp2-bounces@icann.org">wp2-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, July 24, 2015 at 11:19 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>David McAuley <<a href="mailto:dmcauley@verisign.com">dmcauley@verisign.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:WP2@ICANN.org">WP2@ICANN.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:WP2@icann.org">WP2@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [WP2] IRP Checklist<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Courts have full-time judges (plus judges on senior status, visiting judges and other methods of filling the bench). I did not think that this panel would be full-time employees. Rather I expected
that they would be either professional arbitrators who will have cases coming to them from a variety of sources, or lawyers in private practice who handle arbitration as part of their workload. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It would be helpful to know what ICANN's experiences have been to date. In the .africa case there was a considerable delay in replacing one of the panelists after his unfortunate death.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:40 PM, McAuley, David <span dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">These are fair points, Greg, but in my opinion seven would be plenty, and like courts around the world the panelists can handle more than one “case” at a time.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I also worry that the larger the panel the more inclination there might be to stray and find important work to do that the community did not give to the panel.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">If this number becomes an issue maybe it can be revisited in the periodic ATRT-like review by the community that the IRP might be subject to (another thing to decide).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:wp2-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">wp2-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:wp2-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">wp2-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2015 12:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Gannon<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:WP2@ICANN.org">WP2@ICANN.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WP2] IRP Checklist<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I continue to think that a "standing panel" of 7 is too small (and reducing to 5 goes in the wrong direction). I'm not sure how many "sitting panels" there will be simultaneously, or how
many "sitting panels" we expect a panelist to sit on simultaneously. Panelists may not have the bandwidth to take on more than one sitting panel at a time. If that's the case, there can be no more than 2 proceedings at any given time (and the choices for
the second panel are obviously limited), unless we reach into the standby pool. I would think a panel of at least 9 standing panelists would be better (so we can have 3 proceedings at any given time without necessarily going into the standby pool).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I'm not sure where the idea of reducing to 5 came from, or what assumptions support that. Those assumptions must include either low incidence of panels or wide bandwidth of panelists. I'm
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:20 PM, James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Overflow panelists – YES</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Single panelist decisions – NO</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Standard for appeal to full panel - “clear error of judgment or application of an incorrect legal standard” - is this the right standard – YES but may
be space for additional ones</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Community override of bone-headed decisions – YES</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Length of term – No Opinion, I can understand the arguments for various terms</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Term renewal – Depends on above. YES if term <3 years NO if term >5 years</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Exhaustion requirement – yes, no, “where applicable” (not sure I know how to implement third option) – No Opinion</span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">My answers for the record above in case I don’t make the call as I’m moving house next week.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky<span class=""><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2015 4:26 PM<br>
</span><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:WP2@ICANN.org" target="_blank">WP2@ICANN.org</a><span class=""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [WP2] IRP Checklist<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">I’m attaching the current doc, in which I have tried to incorporate all input. We need to reach closure on the following questions:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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