<html><head></head><body>Dear all, <br>
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By now you have probably all seen the comment of the board on the proposed raft report, and especially annex 6. If not please find them attached.<br>
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I have to say I was both dismayed and struck by surprise when I read the comments, but I am very curious to learn what you think.<br>
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My main feeling was that we have already addressed all points that are brought up, but again I am very curious to hear your opinion.<br>
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Finally. The biggest surprise came from the suggestion of the use of the public interest instrument, which seems to be quite far fetched to use in case of human rights. I can imagine the headline: ICANN board think human rights are against the public interest.<br>
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Looking forward to hear what you all think.<br>
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All the best,<br>
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Niels<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 November 2015 07:26:23 GMT+08:00, Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Dear Eberhard,<br />
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That's exactly what the text says. Am not sure what is a showstopper for you.<br />
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Best,<br />
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Niels<br />
<br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 November 2015 07:20:12 GMT-02:00, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.NA> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br />Hash: SHA1<br /><br />We have been through this before.<br /><br />ICANN must respect human rights.<br /><br />Period.<br /><br />No watering down.<br /><br />No deferring for ever and a day (until the cows come down, ad kalendas<br />Graecas, or for the eco members: Sankt Nimmerleinstag).<br /><br /><br />This is a show stopper for me.<br /><br />el<br /><br />On 2015-11-06 07:57, Niels ten Oever wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Dear all,<br /> <br /> I think the text now clearly sets out the difference between<br /> respect and protect, which is both reflected in the analysis and in<br /> the bylaw text.<br /> <br /> The framework for interpretation and implementation (there are<br /> many different ways to do this, it is not black or white) is to be <br /> developed after WS1 (as is also extensively elaborated in the!
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document).<br /> <br /> So I am also a bit unclear about the critique of the proposed<br /> text.<br /> <br /> If you have corrections which can make to text clearer or improve<br /> it, for which we can find consensus, I am sure everyone would<br /> appreciate it a lot.<br /> <br /> Best,<br /> <br /> Niels<br /> <br /> On 11/05/2015 03:43 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> My view on this is:<br /></blockquote> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> Either someone respects human rights or one doesn't.<br /></blockquote> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> But to say one respects them and then say "but when we don't, go <br /> talk to Isaac"[1], is not right.<br /></blockquote> <br />!
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/><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> greetings, el<br /></blockquote> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> [1] A variation of the reference to Arkell v Presdramm (1971, <br /> unreported) pertaining to the Manager of a particular ccTLD.<br /></blockquote> <br /> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 2015-11-05 16:26, Nigel Roberts wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> I'm fine with the first sentence.<br /> <br /> It's the subsequent qualifiers that could easily be<br /> interpreted to mean ICANN can ignore it in practice that seem<br /> problematic to me.<br /> <br /> But no doubt others are better at expressing this than I.<!
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<br /> On 05/11/15 14:15, Greg Shatan wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> Our very first sentence says that ICANN will respect Human <br /> RIghts. Still not seeing the issue.<br /> <br /></blockquote></blockquote> [..]<hr />Wp4 mailing <br /> list Wp4@icann.org <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp4">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp4</a><br /></blockquote> <br /> <br /><hr />Wp4 mailing list <br /> Wp4@icann.org <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp4">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/wp4</a><br /> <br /></blockquote><br />- -- <br />Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist (Saar)<br />el@lisse.NA / * | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733 (cell)<br />PO Box 8421 \ /<br />Bachbrecht, Namibia ;____/<br />-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br />Comment: GPGTools - <a
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