[Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report

Fri Feb 17 15:59:48 UTC 2017

sorry, went out too fast: I wanted to also support Mathieu, Avri and others...
thx and apologies
Jorge

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Von: Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>
Datum: 17. Februar 2017 um 16:58:27 MEZ
An: avri at apc.org <avri at apc.org>
Cc: ws2-diversity at icann.org <ws2-diversity at icann.org>
Betreff: Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report

Apologies for missing too many. alls...

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Von: avri doria <avri at apc.org>
Datum: 17. Februar 2017 um 13:41:16 MEZ
Cc: ws2-diversity at icann.org <ws2-diversity at icann.org>
Betreff: Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report

Hi,

Thanks for supporting the rewording.

I worry about adding wiggle room, which allows the powers that be to
ignore the requirement.  From the point of view of needing diversity, I
think the edit defeats the purpose.

In a sense by not defining quota, which I considered suggesting, we are
already giving an implicit bit of wiggle room.  I do not support adding
the extra phrase and think we should consider adding hard quotas.  I
think the historical evidence is that without quotas, diversity just
does happen because it is always more possible to stick with homogeneity.

avri

On 17-Feb-17 05:09, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I agree with Avri's rationale as well. However in order not to have an
> unending assessment process. I suggest slightly modifying Avri's text to:
>
> Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is essential to
> fulfilling the range of skills and experience necessary for ICANN. If
> an original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently diverse to
> fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements necessary,
> then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is achieved *as much
> as possible*.
>
> Regards
> Sent from my LG G4
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:30 AM, "avri doria" <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>
>     hi,
>
>     Apologies for missing some meetings lately, I have let myself become
>     overloaded.
>
>
>     On 15-Feb-17 16:26, Malcolm Hutty wrote:
>     > I suggest we keep the existing text, but add the following on
>     the end of it:
>     >
>     > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend to
>     > broaden the range of skills and experience available, but rigid
>     > application of diversity requirements for selection could in
>     some cases
>     > have the opposite effect, and this should be avoided."
>
>     I would havea  severe problem with this oppositional statement.  It
>     ignores the fact that diversity is a component of skill and
>     experience.
>     Diverse experience can only be obtained through cultural diversity -
>     people or organizations that are steeped in one culture, especially a
>     dominant culture, do not generally understand the full scope of a
>     problem and do not bring a full or appropriate set of skills and
>     experience, no matter how clever they may be.  Proper solutions cannot
>     be found without diversity
>
>     Likewise the skill often needed is cross cultural sensitivity which
>     cannot be achieved without full scope of diversity.
>
>     The set {skill, experience, diversity} cannot be satisfied without
>     full
>     consideration of the full set. Yes one needs skill and experience, but
>     needs to obtain it from a diverse set of actors, becue a non
>     diverse set
>     will not have the necessary skills and experience in any case.  If by
>     rigid you mean living without it, then I will argue for rigid
>     application of diversity criteria.  I would go so far as to say
>     that any
>     selection process that does not satisfy diversity has failed and does
>     not meet the conditions for global accountability.
>
>     On 16-Feb-17 16:13, Malcolm Hutty wrote:
>     > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend to
>     > broaden the range of skills and experience available, but rigid
>     > application of diversity requirements for selection could in
>     some cases
>     > have the opposite effect, and this should be avoided."
>
>     I cannot accept this formulation either.  There should not be any
>     statement disparaging the absolute necessity for diversity in
>     every and
>     all ICANN processes. the presumption that is unstated is the diversity
>     means a less skilled set of applicnts and I find this to be very
>     problematic.
>
>     On 16-Feb-17 16:30, Mathieu Weill wrote:
>     > Thank you for the feedbacks, and for the various suggestions.
>     >
>     > Picking up on your proposal Malcolm, how about :
>     >
>     > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend
>     to broaden
>     > the range of skills and experience available, but rigid
>     application of
>     > diversity requirements for selection could in some cases have
>     the opposite
>     > effect, and this unintended consequence *needs to be carefully
>     assessed*."
>     > (instead of "avoided").
>
>     Even this goes to far and leaves it as acceptable to avoid diversity.
>     Someone can always try to spin, and will, the argument and say, we
>     have
>     good people even if they aren't diverse and we are unable to satisfy
>     diversity.  In this case the response should be to try harder, not
>     throw
>     up one's hands and say oh well diversity is too hard, do not be so
>     rigid.
>     ICANN is a global organization that is accountable to a diverse world.
>     An accountablty that cannot be met without real diversity.
>
>     For me this meets the requirement of a die in the ditch position.
>
>     I would prefer something like:
>
>     Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is essential
>     to fulfilling
>     the range of skills and experience necessary for ICANN. If an
>     original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently diverse to
>     fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements
>     necessary, then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is
>     achieved.
>
>     No more shrugging and saying: diversity was hard therefore we
>     picked all men from WEOG. This is a failure for ICANN and _MUST_
>     not be accepted by this group, WS2 or ICANN.
>
>     thanks
>     avri
>
>
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