[Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report

avri doria avri at acm.org
Wed Feb 22 13:28:09 UTC 2017


Hi,

I disagree that skills and experience are mainly of the Global North.  I
think that misses the point that diversity is an essential element of
skills and experience.

avri

On 22-Feb-17 04:35, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
> Thank you Avri for summarizing the discussion on skills in the
> Diversity Sub-Group.
>
> I agree that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or
> experience requirements.
> But I don’t think that skills and experience are elements of
> diversity, and find this concept dangerous for the diversity; In fact,
> as everyone knows, skills and experience are mostly present in the
> north and if they are taken as elements of diversity, the whole
> diversity will be flooded and we will end up with the same case of a
> large majority from the north and almost none from the south.
>
> In my opinion, the choice should be done according to the skill and
> experience without using very narrow criteria, and in the pool of
> those skilled persons, we have to apply the diversity rules.
>
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>> Le 22 févr. 2017 à 05:43, avri doria <avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I did take a try in the doc at including this idea.
>>
>> **
>>
>> *2.6 Skills: A variety of skill is important since it is a reflection of
>> the diverse skill set available within the ICANN Community.While
>> acknowledging the importance of diversity in the accountability
>> mechanisms, some members of WS2 have expressed their view that diversity
>> requirement should not prevail over skills or experience requirements,
>> but should be an equivalent factor. Others have argued that skills and
>> experience are elements of diversity. Whether diversity is an essential
>> element of skills and experience or skill and experience are elements of
>> diversity ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is
>> essential to fulfilling the range of skills and experience necessary for
>> ICANN. If an original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently
>> diverse to fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements
>> necessary, then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is
>> achieved..*
>>
>> **
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 21-Feb-17 18:32, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> just to add that during the last call
>>> (https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64068802),
>>> we had consensus around the proposal from Avri and that is currently
>>> in the document, and getting more input on it.
>>> @Julie can you please send/add a text around your suggestion i.e.
>>> diversity in skill sets?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-02-22 7:43 GMT+09:00 Julie Hammer <julie.hammer at bigpond.com
>>> <mailto:julie.hammer at bigpond.com>
>>> <mailto:julie.hammer at bigpond.com>>:
>>>
>>>    *(To Secretariat Staff:  would you please release this email to
>>>    the list.  I do not have posting rights.  Many thanks.)*
>>>
>>>    Also to add to Lousewies’s point and to clarify what I was saying
>>>    on the call:  I was suggesting that we shouldn’t be representing
>>>    this as skills OR diversity, but rather diversity IN skills sets
>>>    ie. listing skills as an element of diversity means that we should
>>>    be seeking to have a diversity of (relevant) skills in whatever
>>>    context we are discussing.   In Lousewies’s example, I think that
>>>    the argument "they just don't have the
>>>    skills/experience/background” should be turned around on those
>>>    proposing it by highlighting and advocating the advantages of
>>>    having diversity IN the skills set.  Different people have
>>>    different skills and I suggest that all  situations/groups benefit
>>>    from having a range of skills available.
>>>
>>>    So that is the focus that I was trying to suggest we have in the
>>>    paragraph in question.
>>>
>>>    I also look forward to seeing everyone in Copenhagen.
>>>
>>>    Cheers,  Julie
>>>
>>>    On 21 Feb 2017, at 7:10 PM, Lousewies Vanderlaan
>>>    <lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org
>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
>>>    <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Just to clarify: I was not supporting the formulation persé, I was
>>>    wondering that if it is kept, whether that was the right place to
>>>    do it. It seemed more like a general comment, which pertains to
>>>    all the elements of diversity rather than one which applies only
>>>    to the point of skills. It is the traditional way in which those
>>>    who perpetuate the status quo always argue against the diverse
>>>    candidate: "they just don't have the
>>>    skills/experience/background".  It will be comforting to those who
>>>    do not yet see the value of diversity, but I would be more in
>>>    favor of trying to socialize the concept with those people, so
>>>    that resistance becomes negligible.
>>>    It is up to the community to decide whether and when skills trump
>>>    diversity, but I generally agree with those who have said that
>>>    this is a false dichotomy. 
>>>    On a personal note, I can tell you from long experience I have
>>>    often seen very competent women bypassed for top jobs, with the
>>>    arguments that they lack the skill set. I see the risk for abuse
>>>    of this "escape clause ". 
>>>    I do not think anyone is advocating for an incompetent person from
>>>    for example an underrepresented region/gender to take a leadership
>>>    position. If opponents starts to hammer the competence/skills
>>>    argument, it can be helpful to call this out.
>>>    The fact is that we either have enough competent people or we
>>>    should be educating and grooming enough people in the pipeline so
>>>    that any gap is temporary and this will become a mute point in the
>>>    future (perhaps we can make this explicit in the document?)
>>>    In this regard I believe the document can be very helpful: it will
>>>    encourage the clear measurement and reporting of diversity
>>>    throughout the organization, board and the community. Once we have
>>>    identified where the gaps are we can make sure we put resources in
>>>    those areas to make sure the "argument" of lack of
>>>    qualified/skilled people becomes irrelevant.
>>>    Hoping to see many of you in Copenhagen!
>>>    Lousewies 
>>>
>>>    …… 
>>>    Sent from my phone.
>>>    Lousewies van der Laan
>>>
>>>    On 16 Feb 2017, at 13:56, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke
>>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>
>>>    <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>    Dear Mathieu
>>>>
>>>>    Thanks for the feedback. I agree that the increased diversity can
>>>>    actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN but the pair
>>>>    of the conversation we haven't yet considered is the kind of
>>>>    skills that would constitutes skills diversity. Would it be based
>>>>    purely on work experience or academic qualifications or a
>>>>    combination of both? Both you and Lousewies raise important
>>>>    discussion points and look forwards to further discussions.
>>>>
>>>>    Kind regards
>>>>
>>>>    Fiona Asonga
>>>>
>>>>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>    *From: *"Mathieu Weill" <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
>>>> <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
>>>>    <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>
>>>>    *To: *"Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>    <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, "Lousewies Vanderlaan"
>>>>    <lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
>>>>    <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>>
>>>>    *Cc: *ws2-diversity at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org>
>>>>    *Sent: *Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:19:16 PM
>>>>    *Subject: *Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
>>>>
>>>>    Dear Colleagues, 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    I apologize for not being able to make many of the calls, but
>>>>    congratulate the group on the progress on the document. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    I did post a comment on the Gdoc, about the following sentence : 
>>>>    “While acknowledging the importance of diversity in the
>>>>    accountability mechanisms, members of WS2 have expressed their
>>>>    view that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or
>>>>    experience requirements.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Lousewies was supporting the formulation, and I understand where
>>>>    she’s coming from on that, but I personally have an issue with it
>>>>    : it implies that there is a mutually exclusive choice to be made
>>>>    between skills on the one side, diversity on the other. I do not
>>>>    share this view. I contend that increased diversity would
>>>>    actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    What do other group members think about it ? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Whatever the outcome of this discussion, it would be useful to
>>>>    detail exactly what kind of skills we want to look at in terms of
>>>>    skills diversity. Is it legal / technical / market ? Others ? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Best
>>>>    Mathieu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    *De :* ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>
>>>>    <mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org
>>>>    <mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>] *De la part de* Rafik
>>>>    Dammak
>>>>    *Envoyé :* mardi 14 février 2017 01:03
>>>>    *À :* Lousewies Vanderlaan
>>>>    *Cc :* ws2-diversity at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org>
>>>>    *Objet :* Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Dear Lousewies,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Thanks for the comments!
>>>>    I moved the document to this google doc so everyone can
>>>>    comment https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0
>>>>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0>
>>>> ,
>>>>    the previous document was in word format . it is in suggestion
>>>>    mode, so you can propose edits and changes.
>>>>    I encourage all members of the subgroup to go through the
>>>>    document and add their suggestions. we will add other parts in
>>>>    coming days.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Rafik
>>>>
>>>>    2017-02-12 5:33 GMT+09:00 Lousewies Vanderlaan
>>>>    <lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
>>>>    <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>>:
>>>>
>>>>    Dear all,
>>>>    Congratulations on a strong first draft.  As you know, as board
>>>>    liaison I have been mostly observing, but I have taken the
>>>>    liberty to make some small comments in the document in a personal
>>>>    capacity.  Hope its useful.
>>>>    I look forward to seeing many of you in Copenhagen.
>>>>    best, Lousewies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 10 Feb 2017, at 17:23, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke
>>>>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>
>>>>    <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hallo All
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find on the link below the first draft of the diversity
>>>>    report with consolidated views that have bee shared and discussed
>>>>    so far on diversity.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing
>>>>    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the discussion on the Global Accounts is still ongoing we
>>>>    have considered the input but would like another round of
>>>>    discussion on the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please feel free to share your feedback and edits to the document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Fiona and Rafik
>>>>>
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