[Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
avri doria
avri at acm.org
Wed Feb 22 13:28:09 UTC 2017
Hi,
I disagree that skills and experience are mainly of the Global North. I
think that misses the point that diversity is an essential element of
skills and experience.
avri
On 22-Feb-17 04:35, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
> Thank you Avri for summarizing the discussion on skills in the
> Diversity Sub-Group.
>
> I agree that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or
> experience requirements.
> But I don’t think that skills and experience are elements of
> diversity, and find this concept dangerous for the diversity; In fact,
> as everyone knows, skills and experience are mostly present in the
> north and if they are taken as elements of diversity, the whole
> diversity will be flooded and we will end up with the same case of a
> large majority from the north and almost none from the south.
>
> In my opinion, the choice should be done according to the skill and
> experience without using very narrow criteria, and in the pool of
> those skilled persons, we have to apply the diversity rules.
>
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>> Le 22 févr. 2017 à 05:43, avri doria <avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I did take a try in the doc at including this idea.
>>
>> **
>>
>> *2.6 Skills: A variety of skill is important since it is a reflection of
>> the diverse skill set available within the ICANN Community.While
>> acknowledging the importance of diversity in the accountability
>> mechanisms, some members of WS2 have expressed their view that diversity
>> requirement should not prevail over skills or experience requirements,
>> but should be an equivalent factor. Others have argued that skills and
>> experience are elements of diversity. Whether diversity is an essential
>> element of skills and experience or skill and experience are elements of
>> diversity ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is
>> essential to fulfilling the range of skills and experience necessary for
>> ICANN. If an original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently
>> diverse to fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements
>> necessary, then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is
>> achieved..*
>>
>> **
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 21-Feb-17 18:32, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> just to add that during the last call
>>> (https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64068802),
>>> we had consensus around the proposal from Avri and that is currently
>>> in the document, and getting more input on it.
>>> @Julie can you please send/add a text around your suggestion i.e.
>>> diversity in skill sets?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-02-22 7:43 GMT+09:00 Julie Hammer <julie.hammer at bigpond.com
>>> <mailto:julie.hammer at bigpond.com>
>>> <mailto:julie.hammer at bigpond.com>>:
>>>
>>> *(To Secretariat Staff: would you please release this email to
>>> the list. I do not have posting rights. Many thanks.)*
>>>
>>> Also to add to Lousewies’s point and to clarify what I was saying
>>> on the call: I was suggesting that we shouldn’t be representing
>>> this as skills OR diversity, but rather diversity IN skills sets
>>> ie. listing skills as an element of diversity means that we should
>>> be seeking to have a diversity of (relevant) skills in whatever
>>> context we are discussing. In Lousewies’s example, I think that
>>> the argument "they just don't have the
>>> skills/experience/background” should be turned around on those
>>> proposing it by highlighting and advocating the advantages of
>>> having diversity IN the skills set. Different people have
>>> different skills and I suggest that all situations/groups benefit
>>> from having a range of skills available.
>>>
>>> So that is the focus that I was trying to suggest we have in the
>>> paragraph in question.
>>>
>>> I also look forward to seeing everyone in Copenhagen.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Julie
>>>
>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 7:10 PM, Lousewies Vanderlaan
>>> <lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org
>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just to clarify: I was not supporting the formulation persé, I was
>>> wondering that if it is kept, whether that was the right place to
>>> do it. It seemed more like a general comment, which pertains to
>>> all the elements of diversity rather than one which applies only
>>> to the point of skills. It is the traditional way in which those
>>> who perpetuate the status quo always argue against the diverse
>>> candidate: "they just don't have the
>>> skills/experience/background". It will be comforting to those who
>>> do not yet see the value of diversity, but I would be more in
>>> favor of trying to socialize the concept with those people, so
>>> that resistance becomes negligible.
>>> It is up to the community to decide whether and when skills trump
>>> diversity, but I generally agree with those who have said that
>>> this is a false dichotomy.
>>> On a personal note, I can tell you from long experience I have
>>> often seen very competent women bypassed for top jobs, with the
>>> arguments that they lack the skill set. I see the risk for abuse
>>> of this "escape clause ".
>>> I do not think anyone is advocating for an incompetent person from
>>> for example an underrepresented region/gender to take a leadership
>>> position. If opponents starts to hammer the competence/skills
>>> argument, it can be helpful to call this out.
>>> The fact is that we either have enough competent people or we
>>> should be educating and grooming enough people in the pipeline so
>>> that any gap is temporary and this will become a mute point in the
>>> future (perhaps we can make this explicit in the document?)
>>> In this regard I believe the document can be very helpful: it will
>>> encourage the clear measurement and reporting of diversity
>>> throughout the organization, board and the community. Once we have
>>> identified where the gaps are we can make sure we put resources in
>>> those areas to make sure the "argument" of lack of
>>> qualified/skilled people becomes irrelevant.
>>> Hoping to see many of you in Copenhagen!
>>> Lousewies
>>>
>>> ……
>>> Sent from my phone.
>>> Lousewies van der Laan
>>>
>>> On 16 Feb 2017, at 13:56, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke
>>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>
>>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Mathieu
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback. I agree that the increased diversity can
>>>> actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN but the pair
>>>> of the conversation we haven't yet considered is the kind of
>>>> skills that would constitutes skills diversity. Would it be based
>>>> purely on work experience or academic qualifications or a
>>>> combination of both? Both you and Lousewies raise important
>>>> discussion points and look forwards to further discussions.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Fiona Asonga
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From: *"Mathieu Weill" <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
>>>> <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
>>>> <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>
>>>> *To: *"Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, "Lousewies Vanderlaan"
>>>> <lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
>>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>>
>>>> *Cc: *ws2-diversity at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org>
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:19:16 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
>>>>
>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I apologize for not being able to make many of the calls, but
>>>> congratulate the group on the progress on the document.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did post a comment on the Gdoc, about the following sentence :
>>>> “While acknowledging the importance of diversity in the
>>>> accountability mechanisms, members of WS2 have expressed their
>>>> view that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or
>>>> experience requirements.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lousewies was supporting the formulation, and I understand where
>>>> she’s coming from on that, but I personally have an issue with it
>>>> : it implies that there is a mutually exclusive choice to be made
>>>> between skills on the one side, diversity on the other. I do not
>>>> share this view. I contend that increased diversity would
>>>> actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What do other group members think about it ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whatever the outcome of this discussion, it would be useful to
>>>> detail exactly what kind of skills we want to look at in terms of
>>>> skills diversity. Is it legal / technical / market ? Others ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Mathieu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *De :* ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>
>>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>
>>>> [mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>] *De la part de* Rafik
>>>> Dammak
>>>> *Envoyé :* mardi 14 février 2017 01:03
>>>> *À :* Lousewies Vanderlaan
>>>> *Cc :* ws2-diversity at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org>
>>>> *Objet :* Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Lousewies,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the comments!
>>>> I moved the document to this google doc so everyone can
>>>> comment https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0>
>>>> ,
>>>> the previous document was in word format . it is in suggestion
>>>> mode, so you can propose edits and changes.
>>>> I encourage all members of the subgroup to go through the
>>>> document and add their suggestions. we will add other parts in
>>>> coming days.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-02-12 5:33 GMT+09:00 Lousewies Vanderlaan
>>>> <lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
>>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>>:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> Congratulations on a strong first draft. As you know, as board
>>>> liaison I have been mostly observing, but I have taken the
>>>> liberty to make some small comments in the document in a personal
>>>> capacity. Hope its useful.
>>>> I look forward to seeing many of you in Copenhagen.
>>>> best, Lousewies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 10 Feb 2017, at 17:23, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke
>>>>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>
>>>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hallo All
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find on the link below the first draft of the diversity
>>>> report with consolidated views that have bee shared and discussed
>>>> so far on diversity.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing
>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the discussion on the Global Accounts is still ongoing we
>>>> have considered the input but would like another round of
>>>> discussion on the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please feel free to share your feedback and edits to the document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Fiona and Rafik
>>>>>
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