<div dir="auto">Makes sense, and I agree.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks!</div><div dir="auto">PS: Apologies for the call - Environ doesn't permit.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Sent from my LG G4<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 17, 2017 13:41, "avri doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@apc.org">avri@apc.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
Thanks for supporting the rewording.<br>
<br>
I worry about adding wiggle room, which allows the powers that be to<br>
ignore the requirement. From the point of view of needing diversity, I<br>
think the edit defeats the purpose.<br>
<br>
In a sense by not defining quota, which I considered suggesting, we are<br>
already giving an implicit bit of wiggle room. I do not support adding<br>
the extra phrase and think we should consider adding hard quotas. I<br>
think the historical evidence is that without quotas, diversity just<br>
does happen because it is always more possible to stick with homogeneity.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<br>
On 17-Feb-17 05:09, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> I agree with Avri's rationale as well. However in order not to have an<br>
> unending assessment process. I suggest slightly modifying Avri's text to:<br>
><br>
> Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is essential to<br>
> fulfilling the range of skills and experience necessary for ICANN. If<br>
> an original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently diverse to<br>
> fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements necessary,<br>
> then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is achieved *as much<br>
> as possible*.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> Sent from my LG G4<br>
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
><br>
> On Feb 17, 2017 1:30 AM, "avri doria" <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> hi,<br>
><br>
> Apologies for missing some meetings lately, I have let myself become<br>
> overloaded.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 15-Feb-17 16:26, Malcolm Hutty wrote:<br>
> > I suggest we keep the existing text, but add the following on<br>
> the end of it:<br>
> ><br>
> > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend to<br>
> > broaden the range of skills and experience available, but rigid<br>
> > application of diversity requirements for selection could in<br>
> some cases<br>
> > have the opposite effect, and this should be avoided."<br>
><br>
> I would havea severe problem with this oppositional statement. It<br>
> ignores the fact that diversity is a component of skill and<br>
> experience.<br>
> Diverse experience can only be obtained through cultural diversity -<br>
> people or organizations that are steeped in one culture, especially a<br>
> dominant culture, do not generally understand the full scope of a<br>
> problem and do not bring a full or appropriate set of skills and<br>
> experience, no matter how clever they may be. Proper solutions cannot<br>
> be found without diversity<br>
><br>
> Likewise the skill often needed is cross cultural sensitivity which<br>
> cannot be achieved without full scope of diversity.<br>
><br>
> The set {skill, experience, diversity} cannot be satisfied without<br>
> full<br>
> consideration of the full set. Yes one needs skill and experience, but<br>
> needs to obtain it from a diverse set of actors, becue a non<br>
> diverse set<br>
> will not have the necessary skills and experience in any case. If by<br>
> rigid you mean living without it, then I will argue for rigid<br>
> application of diversity criteria. I would go so far as to say<br>
> that any<br>
> selection process that does not satisfy diversity has failed and does<br>
> not meet the conditions for global accountability.<br>
><br>
> On 16-Feb-17 16:13, Malcolm Hutty wrote:<br>
> > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend to<br>
> > broaden the range of skills and experience available, but rigid<br>
> > application of diversity requirements for selection could in<br>
> some cases<br>
> > have the opposite effect, and this should be avoided."<br>
><br>
> I cannot accept this formulation either. There should not be any<br>
> statement disparaging the absolute necessity for diversity in<br>
> every and<br>
> all ICANN processes. the presumption that is unstated is the diversity<br>
> means a less skilled set of applicnts and I find this to be very<br>
> problematic.<br>
><br>
> On 16-Feb-17 16:30, Mathieu Weill wrote:<br>
> > Thank you for the feedbacks, and for the various suggestions.<br>
> ><br>
> > Picking up on your proposal Malcolm, how about :<br>
> ><br>
> > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend<br>
> to broaden<br>
> > the range of skills and experience available, but rigid<br>
> application of<br>
> > diversity requirements for selection could in some cases have<br>
> the opposite<br>
> > effect, and this unintended consequence *needs to be carefully<br>
> assessed*."<br>
> > (instead of "avoided").<br>
><br>
> Even this goes to far and leaves it as acceptable to avoid diversity.<br>
> Someone can always try to spin, and will, the argument and say, we<br>
> have<br>
> good people even if they aren't diverse and we are unable to satisfy<br>
> diversity. In this case the response should be to try harder, not<br>
> throw<br>
> up one's hands and say oh well diversity is too hard, do not be so<br>
> rigid.<br>
> ICANN is a global organization that is accountable to a diverse world.<br>
> An accountablty that cannot be met without real diversity.<br>
><br>
> For me this meets the requirement of a die in the ditch position.<br>
><br>
> I would prefer something like:<br>
><br>
> Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is essential<br>
> to fulfilling<br>
> the range of skills and experience necessary for ICANN. If an<br>
> original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently diverse to<br>
> fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements<br>
> necessary, then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is<br>
> achieved.<br>
><br>
> No more shrugging and saying: diversity was hard therefore we<br>
> picked all men from WEOG. This is a failure for ICANN and _MUST_<br>
> not be accepted by this group, WS2 or ICANN.<br>
><br>
> thanks<br>
> avri<br>
><br>
><br>
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