<div>On LW's recent points: <br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">"The fact is that we either have enough competent people...": In the ICANN context there is never enough competent people to do what is required, and the diversity gap is glaring.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">"...or we should be educating and grooming enough people in the pipeline so that any gap is temporary and this will become a mute point in the future (perhaps we can make this explicit in the document?)": YES! Full support for this.</span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Best regards,</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Rinalia</span></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 at 11:22 AM, Lousewies Vanderlaan <<a href="mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan@board.icann.org">lousewies.vanderlaan@board.icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">Just to clarify: I was not supporting the formulation persé, I was wondering that if it is kept, whether that was the right place to do it. It seemed more like a general comment, which pertains to all the elements of diversity rather than one which applies only to the point of skills. It is the traditional way in which those who perpetuate the status quo always argue against the diverse candidate: "they just don't have the skills/experience/background". It will be comforting to those who do not yet see the value of diversity, but I would be more in favor of trying to socialize the concept with those people, so that resistance becomes negligible.</div><div id="m_4116539939450543363AppleMailSignature" class="gmail_msg">It is up to the community to decide whether and when skills trump diversity, but I generally agree with those who have said that this is a false dichotomy. </div><div id="m_4116539939450543363AppleMailSignature" class="gmail_msg">On a personal note, I can tell you from long experience I have often seen very competent women bypassed for top jobs, with the arguments that they lack the skill set. I see the risk for abuse of this "escape clause ". </div><div id="m_4116539939450543363AppleMailSignature" class="gmail_msg">I do not think anyone is advocating for an incompetent person from for example an underrepresented region/gender to take a leadership position. If opponents starts to hammer the competence/skills argument, it can be helpful to call this out.</div><div id="m_4116539939450543363AppleMailSignature" class="gmail_msg">The fact is that we either have enough competent people or we should be educating and grooming enough people in the pipeline so that any gap is temporary and this will become a mute point in the future (perhaps we can make this explicit in the document?)</div><div id="m_4116539939450543363AppleMailSignature" class="gmail_msg">In this regard I believe the document can be very helpful: it will encourage the clear measurement and reporting of diversity throughout the organization, board and the community. Once we have identified where the gaps are we can make sure we put resources in those areas to make sure the "argument" of lack of qualified/skilled people becomes irrelevant.</div><div id="m_4116539939450543363AppleMailSignature" class="gmail_msg">Hoping to see many of you in Copenhagen!</div><div id="m_4116539939450543363AppleMailSignature" class="gmail_msg">Lousewies <br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">…… <div class="gmail_msg">Sent from my phone.</div><div class="gmail_msg">Lousewies van der Laan</div></div></div><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">On 16 Feb 2017, at 13:56, Fiona Asonga <<a href="mailto:fasonga@kixp.or.ke" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">fasonga@kixp.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">Dear Mathieu</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Thanks for the feedback. I agree that the increased diversity can actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN but the pair of the conversation we haven't yet considered is the kind of skills that would constitutes skills diversity. Would it be based purely on work experience or academic qualifications or a combination of both? Both you and Lousewies raise important discussion points and look forwards to further discussions.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Kind regards</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Fiona Asonga</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><hr id="m_4116539939450543363zwchr" class="gmail_msg"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt" class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">From: </b>"Mathieu Weill" <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>><br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">To: </b>"Rafik Dammak" <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>, "Lousewies Vanderlaan" <<a href="mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan@board.icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">lousewies.vanderlaan@board.icann.org</a>><br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Cc: </b><a href="mailto:ws2-diversity@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">ws2-diversity@icann.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Sent: </b>Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:19:16 PM<br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Subject: </b>Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report<br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_4116539939450543363WordSection1 gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Dear Colleagues, </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">I apologize for not being able to make many of the calls, but congratulate the group on the progress on the document. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">I did post a comment on the Gdoc, about the following sentence : </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">“While acknowledging the importance of diversity in the accountability mechanisms, members of WS2 have expressed their view that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or experience requirements.”</span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Lousewies was supporting the formulation, and I understand where she’s coming from on that, but I personally have an issue with it : it implies that there is a mutually exclusive choice to be made between skills on the one side, diversity on the other. I do not share this view. I contend that increased diversity would actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">What do other group members think about it ? </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Whatever the outcome of this discussion, it would be useful to detail exactly what kind of skills we want to look at in terms of skills diversity. Is it legal / technical / market ? Others ? </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Best</span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg">Mathieu</span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="gmail_msg"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">De :</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg"> <a href="mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">ws2-diversity-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b class="gmail_msg">De la part de</b> Rafik Dammak<br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Envoyé :</b> mardi 14 fé</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" class="gmail_msg">vrier 2017 01:03<br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">À :</b> Lousewies Vanderlaan<br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Cc :</b> <a href="mailto:ws2-diversity@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">ws2-diversity@icann.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Objet :</b> Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report</span></p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Dear Lousewies,</p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Thanks for the comments!</p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">I moved the document to this google doc so everyone can comment <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0</a> , the previous document was in word format . it is in suggestion mode, so you can propose edits and changes.</p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">I encourage all members of the subgroup to go through the document and add their suggestions. we will add other parts in coming days.</p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">Best,</p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Rafik</p><div class="gmail_msg"><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg">2017-02-12 5:33 GMT+09:00 Lousewies Vanderlaan <<a href="mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan@board.icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">lousewies.vanderlaan@board.icann.org</a>>:</p><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear all,<br class="gmail_msg">Congratulations on a strong first draft. As you know, as board liaison I have been mostly observing, but I have taken the liberty to make some small comments in the document in a personal capacity. Hope its useful.<br class="gmail_msg">I look forward to seeing many of you in Copenhagen.<br class="gmail_msg">best, Lousewies<br class="gmail_msg"></p><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br class="gmail_msg"></p><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br class="gmail_msg"></p><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">> On 10 Feb 2017, at 17:23, Fiona Asonga <<a href="mailto:fasonga@kixp.or.ke" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">fasonga@kixp.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">><br class="gmail_msg">> Hallo All<br class="gmail_msg">><br class="gmail_msg">> Please find on the link below the first draft of the diversity report with consolidated views that have bee shared and discussed so far on diversity.<br class="gmail_msg">><br class="gmail_msg">> <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing</a><br class="gmail_msg">><br class="gmail_msg">> Since the discussion on the Global Accounts is still ongoing we have considered the input but would like another round of discussion on the same.<br class="gmail_msg">><br class="gmail_msg">> Please feel free to share your feedback and edits to the document.<br class="gmail_msg">><br class="gmail_msg">> Kind regards<br class="gmail_msg">><br class="gmail_msg">> Fiona and Rafik<br class="gmail_msg">><br class="gmail_msg">> --<br class="gmail_msg">> _______________________________________________<br class="gmail_msg">> Ws2-diversity mailing list<br class="gmail_msg">> <a href="mailto:Ws2-diversity@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Ws2-diversity@icann.org</a><br class="gmail_msg">> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-diversity" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-diversity</a><br class="gmail_msg"></p><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br class="gmail_msg">_______________________________________________<br class="gmail_msg">Ws2-diversity mailing list<br class="gmail_msg"><a href="mailto:Ws2-diversity@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Ws2-diversity@icann.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-diversity" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-diversity</a></p></div><p class="MsoNormal gmail_msg"> </p></div></div></div><br class="gmail_msg">_______________________________________________<br class="gmail_msg">Ws2-diversity mailing list<br class="gmail_msg"><a href="mailto:Ws2-diversity@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Ws2-diversity@icann.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-diversity" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-diversity</a><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">-- <br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span name="x" class="gmail_msg"></span><div class="gmail_msg"><img src="cid:a3936fa9a21e77c6_0.1.1" class="gmail_msg" style="max-width: 100%;"></div><span name="x" class="gmail_msg"></span><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg">_______________________________________________</span><br class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg">Ws2-diversity mailing list</span><br class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg"><a href="mailto:Ws2-diversity@icann.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Ws2-diversity@icann.org</a></span><br class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-diversity" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-diversity</a></span><br class="gmail_msg"></div></blockquote></div>
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