<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Hi,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">just to add that during the last call (<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64068802">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64068802</a>), we had consensus around the proposal from Avri and that is currently in the document, and getting more input on it.<br>@Julie can you please send/add a text around your suggestion i.e. diversity in skill sets?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-22 7:43 GMT+09:00 Julie Hammer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:julie.hammer@bigpond.com" target="_blank">julie.hammer@bigpond.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><font color="#0433ff"><b>(To Secretariat Staff: would you please release this email to the list. I do not have posting rights. Many thanks.)</b></font></div><div><br></div>Also to add to Lousewies’s point and to clarify what I was saying on the call: I was suggesting that we shouldn’t be representing this as skills OR diversity, but rather diversity IN skills sets ie. listing skills as an element of diversity means that we should be seeking to have a diversity of (relevant) skills in whatever context we are discussing. In Lousewies’s example, I think that the argument "they just don't have the skills/experience/background” should be turned around on those proposing it by highlighting and advocating the advantages of having diversity IN the skills set. Different people have different skills and I suggest that all situations/groups benefit from having a range of skills available.<div><br></div><div>So that is the focus that I was trying to suggest we have in the paragraph in question.</div><div><br></div><div>I also look forward to seeing everyone in Copenhagen.<br><div><br></div><div>Cheers, Julie</div><div><br><div><div><div class="gmail-h5"><div>On 21 Feb 2017, at 7:10 PM, Lousewies Vanderlaan <<a href="mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan@board.icann.org" target="_blank">lousewies.vanderlaan@board.<wbr>icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail-h5"><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Just to clarify: I was not supporting the formulation persé, I was wondering that if it is kept, whether that was the right place to do it. It seemed more like a general comment, which pertains to all the elements of diversity rather than one which applies only to the point of skills. It is the traditional way in which those who perpetuate the status quo always argue against the diverse candidate: "they just don't have the skills/experience/background".<wbr> It will be comforting to those who do not yet see the value of diversity, but I would be more in favor of trying to socialize the concept with those people, so that resistance becomes negligible.</div><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">It is up to the community to decide whether and when skills trump diversity, but I generally agree with those who have said that this is a false dichotomy. </div><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">On a personal note, I can tell you from long experience I have often seen very competent women bypassed for top jobs, with the arguments that they lack the skill set. I see the risk for abuse of this "escape clause ". </div><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">I do not think anyone is advocating for an incompetent person from for example an underrepresented region/gender to take a leadership position. If opponents starts to hammer the competence/skills argument, it can be helpful to call this out.</div><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">The fact is that we either have enough competent people or we should be educating and grooming enough people in the pipeline so that any gap is temporary and this will become a mute point in the future (perhaps we can make this explicit in the document?)</div><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">In this regard I believe the document can be very helpful: it will encourage the clear measurement and reporting of diversity throughout the organization, board and the community. Once we have identified where the gaps are we can make sure we put resources in those areas to make sure the "argument" of lack of qualified/skilled people becomes irrelevant.</div><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Hoping to see many of you in Copenhagen!</div><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Lousewies <br><br>…… <div>Sent from my phone.</div><div>Lousewies van der Laan</div></div><div style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br>On 16 Feb 2017, at 13:56, Fiona Asonga <<a href="mailto:fasonga@kixp.or.ke" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">fasonga@kixp.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><div style="font-family:"times new roman","new york",times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><div class="gmail-h5"><div>Dear Mathieu</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the feedback. I agree that the increased diversity can actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN but the pair of the conversation we haven't yet considered is the kind of skills that would constitutes skills diversity. Would it be based purely on work experience or academic qualifications or a combination of both? Both you and Lousewies raise important discussion points and look forwards to further discussions.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>Fiona Asonga</div><div><br></div><hr id="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554zwchr"><div style="font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From:<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Mathieu Weill" <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>><br><b>To:<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Rafik Dammak" <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>, "Lousewies Vanderlaan" <<a href="mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan@board.icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">lousewies.vanderlaan@board.<wbr>icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:ws2-diversity@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-diversity@icann.org</a><br><b>Sent:<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:19:16 PM<br><b>Subject:<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report<br><div><br></div><div class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554WordSection1"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear Colleagues,<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I apologize for not being able to make many of the calls, but congratulate the group on the progress on the document. </span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I did post a comment on the Gdoc, about the following sentence :<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">“While acknowledging the importance of diversity in the accountability mechanisms, members of WS2 have expressed their view that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or experience requirements.”</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Lousewies was supporting the formulation, and I understand where she’s coming from on that, but I personally have an issue with it : it implies that there is a mutually exclusive choice to be made between skills on the one side, diversity on the other. I do not share this view. I contend that increased diversity would actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN.<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">What do other group members think about it ?<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Whatever the outcome of this discussion, it would be useful to detail exactly what kind of skills we want to look at in terms of skills diversity. Is it legal / technical / market ? Others ?<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Mathieu</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">De :</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-diversity-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a><span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:ws2-<wbr>diversity-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>D<wbr>e la part de</b><span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span>Rafik Dammak<br><b>Envoyé :</b><span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span>mardi 14 fé</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">vrier 2017 01:03<br><b>À :</b><span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lousewies Vanderlaan<br><b>Cc :</b><span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-diversity@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-diversity@icann.org</a><br><b>Objet :</b><span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"> </p><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif">Dear Lousewies,</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif">Thanks for the comments!</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif">I moved the document to this google doc so everyone can comment<span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://docs.google.<wbr>com/document/d/<wbr>1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-<wbr>CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0</a><span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span>, the previous document was in word format . it is in suggestion mode, so you can propose edits and changes.</div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif">I encourage all members of the subgroup to go through the document and add their suggestions. we will add other parts in coming days.</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif">Best,</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif">Rafik</p><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif">2017-02-12 5:33 GMT+09:00 Lousewies Vanderlaan <<a href="mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan@board.icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">lousewies.vanderlaan@board.<wbr>icann.org</a>>:</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif">Dear all,<br>Congratulations on a strong first draft. As you know, as board liaison I have been mostly observing, but I have taken the liberty to make some small comments in the document in a personal capacity. Hope its useful.<br>I look forward to seeing many of you in Copenhagen.<br>best, Lousewies<br></p><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><br></p><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><br></p><div><br></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif">> On 10 Feb 2017, at 17:23, Fiona Asonga <<a href="mailto:fasonga@kixp.or.ke" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">fasonga@kixp.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Hallo All<br>><br>> Please find on the link below the first draft of the diversity report with consolidated views that have bee shared and discussed so far on diversity.<br>><br>><span class="gmail-m_-4523098238164753554Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing" 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