[Ws2-hr] When should ICANN uphold human rights?

Mon Sep 5 21:56:09 UTC 2016

Léon,

Thank you for this reminder; indeed, it was about respecting Human Rights.

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> Le 5 sept. 2016 à 20:02, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> a écrit :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I am glad to see the discussion is vibrant in this subgroup.
> 
> I have, however one point of clarification. I accept that my concern might be a consequence of my lack of knowledge in english but I feel that when we say “uphold” we are going a step further than the intended spirit of “respecting” human rights as concluded in our WS1 report.
> 
> If that is in fact the case, I would encourage the subgroup to go back to the root of the discussion considering ICANN to respect rather than upholding human rights.
> 
> I am happy to read comments and grateful for any corrections to any lack of knowledge I might be displaying.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> León
> 
>> El 05/09/2016, a las 4:01 a.m., Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> escribió:
>> 
>> Dear Mrs. Badii
>> Thank you very much for clarifications
>> Yes unfortunately I thought you were intervening as co-chair of accountability group for which I regret but your reaction was unfair, instead you should have clarified the matter immediately and those who gas always been against me used this opportunity and categorised my comment "Silly" 
>> Now the matter is clear and issue  is closed
>> Regards
>> Arasteh         
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 5 Sep 2016, at 10:53, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think there is a confusion that needs to be addressed here and hopefully it won't need clarification anymore. 
>>> 
>>> The SO/AC accountability sub-group is being mentioned here because Kavouss is confusing this group with SO/AC accountability subgroup. This confusion comes from the fact that I am one of the co-rapporteurs for that sub-group.  That is a separate sub-group which focusses on SO/AC accountability.  
>>> 
>>> I am merely a participant in human rights sub-group. Which is this group! I sent the questions to this group because during the last week session I volunteered to send questions. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Farzaneh
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5 Sep 2016 8:31 a.m., "Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Dear Mr. Niels  ten Oever
>>> Thank you very much for yr reactions
>>> I hope you have kindly recognized that:
>>> A) this issue can only be discussed at SubGroup established for FOI for Human Rights AND NOT IN THE SUBGROUP ON SO/AC ACCOUNTABILITY
>>> B) thank you for  the list of the reference  documents that you have made but  please kindly study the complete list discussed at Human Rights Group chaired Mr, Leon Sanchez
>>> You would not a complete list there.
>>> If you , as the One of the Co-Chair of the Group proposed a selected list , I have no problem with that but
>>> 1) this issue must be discussed at your group and not accountability Group and
>>> 2) we MUST avoid repeating discussions that we have had. Under Mr. Sanchez Group  during four or five months
>>> Tks
>>> Arasteh
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On 5 Sep 2016, at 05:58, Niels ten Oever <lists at nielstenoever.net <mailto:lists at nielstenoever.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Dear all,
>>> >
>>> > Great to see the discussion developing here. If I look at the questions
>>> > brought up by Farzane, structured by Paul (and confirmed by Tijani), I
>>> > see some overlap with the questions that were brought up in the draft
>>> > FoI we've been working on as Google Doc.
>>> >
>>> >>>  *        What substance we see in the phrase human rights inside
>>> >>>    ICANN Mission?
>>> >
>>> > For this question we had a preliminary answer, namely that we could
>>> > understand the following documents as 'Internationally recognized human
>>> > rights':
>>> >
>>> > UDHR: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/Language.aspx?LangID=eng <http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/Language.aspx?LangID=eng>
>>> > ICCPR: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CCPR.aspx <http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CCPR.aspx>
>>> > ICESCR: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CESCR.aspx <http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CESCR.aspx>
>>> > ICERD: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CERD.aspx <http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CERD.aspx>
>>> > CEDAW: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CEDAW.aspx <http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CEDAW.aspx>
>>> > CRPD: http://www.un.org/disabilities/convention/conventionfull.shtml <http://www.un.org/disabilities/convention/conventionfull.shtml>
>>> > DRIPS:  http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/IPeoples/Pages/Declaration.aspx <http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/IPeoples/Pages/Declaration.aspx>
>>> >
>>> > This could help narrow down that part of the discussion.
>>> >
>>> > When we look at the second question and clarification by John:
>>> >
>>> >>>  *        When, if ever, ICANN should give that substance (whatever
>>> >>>    it may be) effect?
>>> >
>>> > This might mean different things for:
>>> >
>>> > - the ICANN community (SOs and ACs)
>>> > - ICANN the organization
>>> > - Contracted parties
>>> > - policy development process
>>> >
>>> > It might helps us to differentiate or list what the different relevant
>>> > activities of these (or other) parts of the ICANN ecosystem and
>>> > understand what (potential) human rights impacts they might have?
>>> >
>>> > Just a suggestions.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> >
>>> > Niels
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Niels ten Oever
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