[Ws2-hr] Proposed Agenda FIRST READING considerations document March 21 19:00 UTC
Aikman-Scalese, Anne
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Tue Mar 21 16:56:31 UTC 2017
Thanks Niels. I do think this needs to be added to the agenda (a short 5 minute item) so that you can brief the subgroup on the call.
Anne
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Dear all,
Thanks for the discussion. My proposal under the Administrivia heading would indeed have been to informally invite Ms Ramastry and the UN Working Group on Business and Human Rights to respond during the public comment period.
All the best,
Niels
On 03/20/2017 11:51 PM, matthew shears wrote:
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> On 20/03/2017 22:49, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote:
>>
>> My full support to what Greg just said. I couldn't attend the call
>> due to other obligations, but I am puzzled with the suggestion to
>> send a document to a non-participant - who never contributed to the
>> work of the group - before sending it to the plenary. What exactly is
>> going to be achieved by this? Ms. Ramasastry can join the group now
>> (as far as I understand we are open to participation at any stage),
>> or she can choose to submit her comments in the public comment
>> period. Anything else is the obstruction of the process.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>>
>> On 20/03/17 23:36, Greg Shatan wrote:
>>> It seems appropriate to discuss the call we had (since it happened).
>>> I don't believe she was a "UN representative" per se, but she (Anita
>>> Ramasastry (?)) had some relationship to the UN. (Unfortunately, I
>>> don't believe it was recorded, and I assume that none of us who were
>>> there have perfect recall, given mental overload, sleep deprivation,
>>> etc., but that's life.)
>>>
>>> I would be opposed to any plan to submit any of our documents to
>>> Prof. Ramasastry before finalizing and submitting them to the CCWG.
>>> She can always comment in the Public Comment period. But we
>>> shouldn't privilege any non-participant in this manner. This is
>>> particularly the case since the current draft essentially makes no
>>> recommendation regarding the application (or not) of Ruggie in any
>>> operationalization* of the Bylaw. Thus it seems unnecessary, as
>>> well as inappropriate.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> *(I use "operationalization" to avoid confusion with
>>> "implementation", which typically is used in ICANN-land to refer to
>>> post-policy development implementation of a policy. What we are
>>> referring to here is "implementing"/operationalization a Bylaw
>>> through policy development or through the modification of a policy
>>> development process.)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:57 PM Aikman-Scalese, Anne
>>> <AAikman at lrrc.com <mailto:AAikman at lrrc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Niels. Regarding the agenda, I believe we also stated
>>> in the drafting team meeting on Saturday that we were going to
>>> discuss with the full subgroup the call we had with the U.N.
>>> representative (Anita) arranged by Mark Carvell and the point
>>> that some in the group wanted to submit the documents to the U.N.
>>> representative prior to finalizing the recommendation to the full
>>> CCWG.
>>>
>>> Even if the document is not submitted, we should advise the full
>>> subgroup of the call so I hope this can be added to the agenda.
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
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>>> Subject: [Ws2-hr] Proposed Agenda FIRST READING considerations
>>> document March 21 19:00 UTC
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Please find attached and underneath the agenda for our session
>>> tomorrow March 21 at 19:00 UTC.
>>>
>>> The document we'll discuss is the Copenhagen Drafting Team
>>> Consensus Document, which clearly was not a full consensus, so
>>> I've added the minority position of Anne Aikman-Scalese to the
>>> document for discussion.
>>>
>>> Even though these two points are unresolved I hope we can still
>>> aim to have a first reading of the document, next to the
>>> discussion of the points of course.
>>>
>>> 1. Administrivia
>>> Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc
>>> 2. First reading (of two) of the Considerations document prepared
>>> by the drafting team 3. AOB
>>>
>>> The document can also be found here:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rDYyuXacrSYDtlSK5JqNQe7XOX2LbM86
>>> AzfDay8zpoE/edit
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Niels
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