<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>I am sure whether these questions to be raised with Human Rights Group ,they are rather to be raised either to CCWG or to the Lawyers or to any entity other than Sub Group dealing with Human rights.</div><div>They may raise these questions internally but not externally .</div><div>Moreover, as I said to PAUL ,these two questions need to be further elaborated and explored before being submitted to other group</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-09-04 20:12 GMT+02:00 Tijani BEN JEMAA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn" target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="-ms-word-wrap: break-word;">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:120%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:120%;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"><font color="#002e7a">Dear all,<u></u><u></u></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:120%"><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);line-height:120%;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">I agree with Paul that among the main questions for us to come up with a
Frame of Interpretation of the Human Rights in the ICANN mission would be:</span></p><p style="line-height:120%"><ul><li><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);line-height:120%;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> What substance we see in the phrase human rights inside ICANN Mission?</span></li><span><li><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);line-height:120%;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(0,46,122);line-height:120%;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:7pt"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(0,46,122);line-height:120%;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">When, if ever, ICANN should give that substance (whatever it may be)
effect?</span></li></span></ul><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:120%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:120%;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt"><font color="#002e7a"> </font></span><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);line-height:120%;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">I can’t say they are the only meaningful questions since there will be
subsequent questions. But let’s start with the first question: I think that to
address it, we may begin by giving practical easy cases.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:120%"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(0,46,122);font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt">The protection of the
registrant data is one of the most obvious case of human right that falls in
the ICANN mission. This may also affect the ICANN contract with
registries/registrars</span><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122)"> </span></p><div><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122)"> </span></div><div><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Le 4 sept. 2016 à 18:24, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com</a>> a écrit :</div><br><div><div style="font:14px/normal Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Dear Farzaneh<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Of course your questions are meaningful. Indeed, the ONLY two meaningful questions in this discussion are a) what substance we see in the phrase human rights? And b) When, if ever, ICANN should give that substance (whatever it may be) effect?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Your questions clearly go to the later of these two issues. Members of the group may disagree on the answers we reach, but you’re asking questions that have real meaning – whatever anyone may say to the contrary.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Paul Rosenzweig<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">O: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20547-0660" target="_blank" value="+12025470660">+1 (202) 547-0660</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">M: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20329-9650" target="_blank" value="+12023299650">+1 (202) 329-9650</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">VOIP: <a href="tel:%2B1%20%28202%29%20738-1739" target="_blank" value="+12027381739">+1 (202) 738-1739</a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">My PGP Key:<span> </span><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="http://redbranchconsulting.com/who-we-are/public-pgp-key/" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">http://<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com/who-<wbr>we-are/public-pgp-key/</span></a><u><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)"><u></u><u></u></span></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>farzaneh badii<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Sunday, September 4, 2016 11:56 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-hr@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Ws2-hr] When should ICANN uphold human rights?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">Calling something "not meaningful" is very easy. But it does not devalue its merits, fortunately. Please provide a rationale for why the questions are not meaningful. I don't have to consult with the co-chairs to discuss the questions here. If the group feels that it is unnecessary to discuss these questions they can simply not respond, if they feel we should re-formulate them, then we can. <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">The questions are to clarify what we mean by ICANN should not become a content regulator. The discussions that can arise responding to the question and sub-questions which I have posted can lead us towards a more tangible understanding of what we mean when we say ICANN should not become a content regulator and should not go out of its scope and mission when upholding human rights. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">Best<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">Farzaneh <u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">On 4 September 2016 at 17:34, Kavouss Arasteh <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-right:0in;margin-left:4.8pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt" type="cite"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">Dear All,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">I do not understand the meaning and purpose of these questions.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">Perhaps the author of the questions could consult other two co chairs and come up with meaningfull text.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">We can not send out these questions at all<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">Reagrds<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">Kavouss<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">2016-09-04 14:25 GMT+02:00 farzaneh badii <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>:<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-right:0in;margin-left:4.8pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt" type="cite"><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Hi all, <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Sorry for sending out the questions late. I wanted to provide a gist of what we discussed during our call and then provide the questions but unfortunately, we still do not have the recording. Below are some questions for the group to discuss:<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Considering ICANN's scope and mission, when should ICANN uphold human rights?<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">- In its consideration to enter into contracts with registries and registrars? (for example, when they are considering a new gTLD application) <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">- During the contractual relationship with the registries and the registrars by obligating the registries and registrars to enforce human rights?<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Best <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"> </span></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">--<span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Farzaneh<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Ws2-hr mailing list<br><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:Ws2-hr@icann.org" target="_blank">Ws2-hr@icann.org</a><br><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-hr" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ws2-hr</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><br><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">--<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">Farzaneh<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div><span style="font:14px/normal Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;white-space:normal">______________________________<wbr>_________________</span><br style="font:14px/normal Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><span style="font:14px/normal Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;white-space:normal">Ws2-hr mailing list</span><br style="font:14px/normal Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><span style="font:14px/normal Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;white-space:normal"><a href="mailto:Ws2-hr@icann.org" target="_blank">Ws2-hr@icann.org</a></span><br style="font:14px/normal Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal"><span style="font:14px/normal Helvetica;text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;white-space:normal"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-hr" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ws2-hr</a></span></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></p></div></blockquote></div><br></div>