<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div> Dear Mrs.badii</div><div> I am not confusing any body at all</div><div>But was confused by those who wear several hats and their supporters confused others</div><div>tFortunately Someone clarified the natter that caused confusion by the author of question</div><div>When the festoons were raised the its author should have said in what capacity she talked.</div><div>Pls do not accuse people for something that they have not done</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 5 Sep 2016, at 21:02, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8">Dear all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am glad to see the discussion is vibrant in this subgroup.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have, however one point of clarification. I accept that my concern might be a consequence of my lack of knowledge in english but I feel that when we say “uphold” we are going a step further than the intended spirit of “respecting” human rights as concluded in our WS1 report.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If that is in fact the case, I would encourage the subgroup to go back to the root of the discussion considering ICANN to respect rather than upholding human rights.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am happy to read comments and grateful for any corrections to any lack of knowledge I might be displaying.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
<div class="">Best regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">León</div>
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">El 05/09/2016, a las 4:01 a.m., Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" class="">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Dear Mrs. Badii</div><div class="">Thank you very much for clarifications</div><div class="">Yes unfortunately I thought you were intervening as co-chair of accountability group for which I regret but your reaction was unfair, instead you should have clarified the matter immediately and those who gas always been against me used this opportunity and categorised my comment "Silly" </div><div class="">Now the matter is clear and issue is closed</div><div class="">Regards</div><div class="">Arasteh <br class=""><br class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=""><br class="">On 5 Sep 2016, at 10:53, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" class="">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><p class="">I think there is a confusion that needs to be addressed here and hopefully it won't need clarification anymore. </p><p class="">The SO/AC accountability sub-group is being mentioned here because Kavouss is confusing this group with SO/AC accountability subgroup. This confusion comes from the fact that I am one of the co-rapporteurs for that sub-group. That is a separate sub-group which focusses on SO/AC accountability. </p><p class="">I am merely a participant in human rights sub-group. Which is this group! I sent the questions to this group because during the last week session I volunteered to send questions. </p><p class=""><br class=""></p><p class="">Best </p><p class=""><br class=""></p><p class="">Farzaneh</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 Sep 2016 8:31 a.m., "Arasteh" <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Mr. Niels ten Oever<br class="">
Thank you very much for yr reactions<br class="">
I hope you have kindly recognized that:<br class="">
A) this issue can only be discussed at SubGroup established for FOI for Human Rights AND NOT IN THE SUBGROUP ON SO/AC ACCOUNTABILITY<br class="">
B) thank you for the list of the reference documents that you have made but please kindly study the complete list discussed at Human Rights Group chaired Mr, Leon Sanchez<br class="">
You would not a complete list there.<br class="">
If you , as the One of the Co-Chair of the Group proposed a selected list , I have no problem with that but<br class="">
1) this issue must be discussed at your group and not accountability Group and<br class="">
2) we MUST avoid repeating discussions that we have had. Under Mr. Sanchez Group during four or five months<br class="">
Tks<br class="">
Arasteh<br class="">
Sent from my iPhone<br class="">
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> On 5 Sep 2016, at 05:58, Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net" target="_blank" class="">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>> wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> Dear all,<br class="">
><br class="">
> Great to see the discussion developing here. If I look at the questions<br class="">
> brought up by Farzane, structured by Paul (and confirmed by Tijani), I<br class="">
> see some overlap with the questions that were brought up in the draft<br class="">
> FoI we've been working on as Google Doc.<br class="">
><br class="">
>>> * What substance we see in the phrase human rights inside<br class="">
>>> ICANN Mission?<br class="">
><br class="">
> For this question we had a preliminary answer, namely that we could<br class="">
> understand the following documents as 'Internationally recognized human<br class="">
> rights':<br class="">
><br class="">
> UDHR: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/Language.aspx?LangID=eng" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/P<wbr class="">ages/Language.aspx?LangID=eng</a><br class="">
> ICCPR: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CCPR.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Profes<wbr class="">sionalInterest/Pages/CCPR.aspx</a><br class="">
> ICESCR: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CESCR.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Profes<wbr class="">sionalInterest/Pages/CESCR.<wbr class="">aspx</a><br class="">
> ICERD: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CERD.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Profes<wbr class="">sionalInterest/Pages/CERD.aspx</a><br class="">
> CEDAW: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CEDAW.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Profes<wbr class="">sionalInterest/Pages/CEDAW.<wbr class="">aspx</a><br class="">
> CRPD: <a href="http://www.un.org/disabilities/convention/conventionfull.shtml" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.un.org/disabilities<wbr class="">/convention/conventionfull.<wbr class="">shtml</a><br class="">
> DRIPS: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/IPeoples/Pages/Declaration.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues<wbr class="">/IPeoples/Pages/Declaration.<wbr class="">aspx</a><br class="">
><br class="">
> This could help narrow down that part of the discussion.<br class="">
><br class="">
> When we look at the second question and clarification by John:<br class="">
><br class="">
>>> * When, if ever, ICANN should give that substance (whatever<br class="">
>>> it may be) effect?<br class="">
><br class="">
> This might mean different things for:<br class="">
><br class="">
> - the ICANN community (SOs and ACs)<br class="">
> - ICANN the organization<br class="">
> - Contracted parties<br class="">
> - policy development process<br class="">
><br class="">
> It might helps us to differentiate or list what the different relevant<br class="">
> activities of these (or other) parts of the ICANN ecosystem and<br class="">
> understand what (potential) human rights impacts they might have?<br class="">
><br class="">
> Just a suggestions.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Best,<br class="">
><br class="">
> Niels<br class="">
><br class="">
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