<p dir="ltr">Regarding : uphold v respect</p>
<p dir="ltr">I am on the same page as Leon here. 'respect' is a vastly different thought process to 'uphold' within the context of consensus.<br>
I have had to correct myself of late to focus on respect, not uphold.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Is there concensus on this within the WS2 group?<br>
RD</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 5, 2016 6:12 PM, "Tijani BEN JEMAA" <<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@benjemaa.com">tijani.benjemaa@benjemaa.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><font color="#002e7a">Léon,</font><div><br></div><div><font color="#002e7a">Thank you for this reminder; indeed, it was about respecting Human Rights.</font></div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Le 5 sept. 2016 à 20:02, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>> a écrit :</div><br><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>I am glad to see the discussion is vibrant in this subgroup.</div><div><br></div><div>I have, however one point of clarification. I accept that my concern might be a consequence of my lack of knowledge in english but I feel that when we say “uphold” we are going a step further than the intended spirit of “respecting” human rights as concluded in our WS1 report.</div><div><br></div><div>If that is in fact the case, I would encourage the subgroup to go back to the root of the discussion considering ICANN to respect rather than upholding human rights.</div><div><br></div><div>I am happy to read comments and grateful for any corrections to any lack of knowledge I might be displaying.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
<div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>León</div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>El 05/09/2016, a las 4:01 a.m., Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> escribió:</div><br><div><div dir="auto"><div>Dear Mrs. Badii</div><div>Thank you very much for clarifications</div><div>Yes unfortunately I thought you were intervening as co-chair of accountability group for which I regret but your reaction was unfair, instead you should have clarified the matter immediately and those who gas always been against me used this opportunity and categorised my comment "Silly" </div><div>Now the matter is clear and issue is closed</div><div>Regards</div><div>Arasteh <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 5 Sep 2016, at 10:53, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><p>I think there is a confusion that needs to be addressed here and hopefully it won't need clarification anymore. </p><p>The SO/AC accountability sub-group is being mentioned here because Kavouss is confusing this group with SO/AC accountability subgroup. This confusion comes from the fact that I am one of the co-rapporteurs for that sub-group. That is a separate sub-group which focusses on SO/AC accountability. </p><p>I am merely a participant in human rights sub-group. Which is this group! I sent the questions to this group because during the last week session I volunteered to send questions. </p><p><br></p><p>Best </p><p><br></p><p>Farzaneh</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 Sep 2016 8:31 a.m., "Arasteh" <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Mr. Niels ten Oever<br>
Thank you very much for yr reactions<br>
I hope you have kindly recognized that:<br>
A) this issue can only be discussed at SubGroup established for FOI for Human Rights AND NOT IN THE SUBGROUP ON SO/AC ACCOUNTABILITY<br>
B) thank you for the list of the reference documents that you have made but please kindly study the complete list discussed at Human Rights Group chaired Mr, Leon Sanchez<br>
You would not a complete list there.<br>
If you , as the One of the Co-Chair of the Group proposed a selected list , I have no problem with that but<br>
1) this issue must be discussed at your group and not accountability Group and<br>
2) we MUST avoid repeating discussions that we have had. Under Mr. Sanchez Group during four or five months<br>
Tks<br>
Arasteh<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
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> On 5 Sep 2016, at 05:58, Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net" target="_blank">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> Great to see the discussion developing here. If I look at the questions<br>
> brought up by Farzane, structured by Paul (and confirmed by Tijani), I<br>
> see some overlap with the questions that were brought up in the draft<br>
> FoI we've been working on as Google Doc.<br>
><br>
>>> * What substance we see in the phrase human rights inside<br>
>>> ICANN Mission?<br>
><br>
> For this question we had a preliminary answer, namely that we could<br>
> understand the following documents as 'Internationally recognized human<br>
> rights':<br>
><br>
> UDHR: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/Language.aspx?LangID=eng" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/P<wbr>ages/Language.aspx?LangID=eng</a><br>
> ICCPR: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CCPR.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Profes<wbr>sionalInterest/Pages/CCPR.aspx</a><br>
> ICESCR: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CESCR.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Profes<wbr>sionalInterest/Pages/CESCR.asp<wbr>x</a><br>
> ICERD: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CERD.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Profes<wbr>sionalInterest/Pages/CERD.aspx</a><br>
> CEDAW: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CEDAW.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Profes<wbr>sionalInterest/Pages/CEDAW.asp<wbr>x</a><br>
> CRPD: <a href="http://www.un.org/disabilities/convention/conventionfull.shtml" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.un.org/disabilities<wbr>/convention/conventionfull.sht<wbr>ml</a><br>
> DRIPS: <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/IPeoples/Pages/Declaration.aspx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues<wbr>/IPeoples/Pages/Declaration.as<wbr>px</a><br>
><br>
> This could help narrow down that part of the discussion.<br>
><br>
> When we look at the second question and clarification by John:<br>
><br>
>>> * When, if ever, ICANN should give that substance (whatever<br>
>>> it may be) effect?<br>
><br>
> This might mean different things for:<br>
><br>
> - the ICANN community (SOs and ACs)<br>
> - ICANN the organization<br>
> - Contracted parties<br>
> - policy development process<br>
><br>
> It might helps us to differentiate or list what the different relevant<br>
> activities of these (or other) parts of the ICANN ecosystem and<br>
> understand what (potential) human rights impacts they might have?<br>
><br>
> Just a suggestions.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Niels<br>
><br>
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