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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Human Resources Subgroup Meeting #3</b> –30 August 2016 will be available here:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">A copy of the
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Thank you</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#132857">.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#161616">With kind regards,</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1B2F72">Brenda Brewer </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">1. Administrivia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">2. Discussion on: the Summary on what was agreed and discussed on human rights during WS1 <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rwpw9aSAqboRO2_rNkjMVJPOmYwmdr5B1_M_aNMoZb4/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="color:#3B73AF">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rwpw9aSAqboRO2_rNkjMVJPOmYwmdr5B1_M_aNMoZb4/edit?usp=sharing</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">3. Discussion on: Concerns on possible impacts of Human Rights bylaw and FoI <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KcKGRJjuhKEzCh2AZ8PPR_MofOQFBN8CMuJqTG_h9h4/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="color:#3B73AF">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KcKGRJjuhKEzCh2AZ8PPR_MofOQFBN8CMuJqTG_h9h4/edit?usp=sharing</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: Given the sad news from Paul Twomey there has been no progress as expected. It would be great if we could <br>
keep adding concerns to this doc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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waiting for Paul because he was supposed to lead this one. <strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></strong>but once Paul is back I will be ready with info :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">4. Discussion on: FoI draft document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: Should the Framework be a core value? We should ask this of ICANN legal as to what the implications <br>
of being core value imply. does nayone have an issue with this - no.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Paul McGrady<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: </span></strong>Seems like we would want to ask the community that, rather than the lawyers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: </span></strong>So basically you want to ask ICANN legal about this as a starting point for our further discussion?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavous Arateh: views of lawyers should not be priveleged, everyone has input.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese: have no issue with asking ICANN legal. Still unclear what a human rights policy vs policy development activities in <br>
ICANN. Would such a human rights policy imply that ICANN would have to make a human rights assessment of the propose <br>
registry before contracting to delegate a TLD?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: you should include these in the document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: ICANN legal added the term core value and we should ask them why they did so. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: any views on this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></strong>Agree. I'd like to know why they made that unilateral change, but I don't think we need them to define "core" for us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: Let us find out who suggested using Core Value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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recommend as a policy matter. Operations should be consistent with policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels Ten Oever: Will ask staff to pass on this question to ICANN legal - ACTION ITEM. Niels ten Oever<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: </span></strong>Question to ICANN legal: 'What <br>
is the rationale for the addition of 'core values' to the ICANN bylaws, and what are its legal and non-legal implications in your opinion, especially for the human rights bylaw? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels Ten Oever: What is meant by International Human Rights? I have pasted several refernces in the document which could help with this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Uncertain that these instruments which are applicable to states are not applicable to ICANN. They can help shape of things for ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavous Arasteh: We should go through these and see which parts could apply to ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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for going through all the conventions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese: to what parts of ICANN should Human rights apply? It would certainly include awarding a TLD. We should <br>
identify policies and procedures and activities in ICANN which would be subject to HR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Paul McGrady: starting with the principles and then look at how they apply is my approach - but we should end up in the same place.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Markus Kummer: The Board was very worried about unintended consequences. the baseline for ICANN will probably remain the <br>
Rugge principals and which ones apply and see where we can go from there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Avri Doria: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">an explicit exhaustive list of operations?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">@AVri - no - just certain test examples - how do Human Rights principles apply to specific activities of ICANN - a practical <br>
application of principles in certain examples of ICANN's operations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I think there has been some job done on this at the CCWP on human rights which might be interesting to look at, Niels, do <br>
you have anything to share on this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Matthew Shears: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I would turn that around Ann and suggest that we need to look at ICANN's operations and determine very realistically and <br>
cautiously what might apply or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Matthew Shears: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">this should not be about trying to see what fits - but rather what is appropriate - measured against other orgs and institutions perhaps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: What we need to consider what is in ICANN's scope. Does this imply that there are going to be contractual provisions for <br>
Human Rights in registry agreements? I think the ICANN responsability stops at the string level (unclear what is meant by string level).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavous Arasteh: Seems chair is unfair in analysing comments by particpants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: </span></strong>@Niels - I think the document you linked presupposes a negative impact on Human Rights in all cases. For example, it states <br>
that there is a "right to use all words and names in domain names". There is actually no such right and the entire scheme of trademark <br>
protection for the new gTLDs demonstrates the balancing of freedom of expression against the right of the artistic community to protect <br>
its artistic creations. This is Article 19 versus Article 27 UDHR balancing. ARticle 27 says: (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of <br>
the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: We will discuss this on the list. We should go on to the issue of Applicable Law. Do we want to relay this to the Jurisdiction sub-group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Leave to the Jurisdiction sub-group.,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: Will contact Jursidiction to advise we will wait on their results regarding this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese 2<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: </span></strong>ICANN Legal should be asked what Human Rights Law is applicable to ICANN operations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">2. 'What Human Rights Laws and/or Guidelines is or are applicable to which ICANN operations.'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese 2<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: </span></strong>should this be tgwo separate questions. Which laws and then guidelines.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Daniel Appelman:<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></strong>Getting the views of legal counsel is ok; but our own work this week should be to think about all relevant ICANN <br>
operations and activities and then discuss what human rights are implicated by them. Via mailing list and comments in the document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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