<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree in part and disagree in part:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:05 AM, Schweighofer Erich <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at" target="_blank">erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">...</div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The more I read about Ruggie Principles I am convinced that they do not really fit for ICANN. </blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I tend to agree with this.</div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The hard legal core of ICANN's obligations is much less, even depending on the various jurisdictions. </blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm not sure what this means. If it means that there are Ruggie obligations that don't fit ICANN, then I agree. Otherwise, this needs further explanation.</div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">ICANN is inclusive, e.g. also flexible. </blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Again not sure what this means. If this means that ICANN must be inclusive of, e.g., New gTLD applicants and ccTLD operators (governments and otherwise), whether or not they comply with human rights provision, then I agree. ICANN can't be a human rights filter for the Internet. If this means something else, it needs further explanation. </div><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">WS2-HR should focus on the freedom of communication worldwide, subject to usual safeguard clauses + the international human rights treaty obligations. </blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This sounds suspiciously like "cherry-picking" (i.e., picking and choosing among human rights obligation), and I am firmly opposed to that. Also while human rights treaty obligations are relevant (and we need to determine what we are referring to as such) they do not bind ICANN, except to the extent they have been adopted and codified by applicable laws. The Bylaw doesn't take us further than that.</div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In an ethical code of ICANN, we can go much further, and here we can re-use Ruggie to some extent. </blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">An "ethical code of ICANN" is far, far beyond the mandate and scope of this subgroup. Our task is to provide a framework for interpreting the Bylaw.</div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It is good to work on an idealistic world but we have to realistic, too.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">That I can agree with.</div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"></div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Best, Erich Schweighofer<br>
<br></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">Greg</div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Betreff: [Ws2-hr] Proposed agenda meeting September 27 - 19:00 UTC<br>
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Dear all,<br>
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Please find underneath and attached the proposed agenda for the call of September 27, 19:00 UTC.<br>
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Comments and suggestions are welcome.<br>
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1. Administrivia<br>
Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc<br>
2. Analysis of Ruggie Principles for ICANN - discussion on UN Guiding Principles 15, 13, 19 3. AOB<br>
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Best,<br>
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Niels<br>
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