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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My clarifications „inline“. Sorry for quick drafting and being unclear.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> D</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ienstag, 27. September 2016 17:35<br>
<b>An:</b> Schweighofer Erich<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Niels ten Oever; ws2-hr@icann.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Ws2-hr] Proposed agenda meeting September 27 - 19:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I agree in part and disagree in part:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:05 AM, Schweighofer Erich <<a href="mailto:erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at" target="_blank">erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The more I read about Ruggie Principles I am convinced that they do not really fit for ICANN.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I tend to agree with this.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The hard legal core of ICANN's obligations is much less, even depending on the various jurisdictions.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I'm not sure what this means. If it means that there are Ruggie obligations that don't fit ICANN, then I agree. Otherwise, this needs
further explanation.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes – Ruggie do not fit properly. ICANN is essential for a global communication platform and must respect related human rights –the “hard core”,
subject to the interpretation in the various jurisdictions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ICANN is inclusive, e.g. also flexible. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Again not sure what this means. If this means that ICANN must be inclusive of, e.g., New gTLD applicants and ccTLD operators (governments
and otherwise), whether or not they comply with human rights provision, then I agree. ICANN can't be a human rights filter for the Internet. If this means something else, it needs further explanation.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It means that we cannot oblige new gTLD applicants or ccTLD operators to comply with human rights above the national interpretation of human rights
obligations. There are other fora to discuss compliance with human rights standards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">WS2-HR should focus on the freedom of communication worldwide, subject to usual safeguard clauses + the international human rights treaty obligations.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">This sounds suspiciously like "cherry-picking" (i.e., picking and choosing among human rights obligation), and I am firmly opposed to
that. Also while human rights treaty obligations are relevant (and we need to determine what we are referring to as such)</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> they do not bind ICANN,
except to the extent they have been adopted and codified by applicable laws. The Bylaw doesn't take us further than that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">It is not cherry-picking, it is a suggestion which human rights are relevant to be considered. Free communication should be the main concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#1F497D">You are right that human rights treaties formally do not bind ICANN but that sound not good in practice. We have to substitute this by self-commitment, as we do now.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">In an ethical code of ICANN, we can go much further, and here we can re-use Ruggie to some extent.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">An "ethical code of ICANN"</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
is far, far beyond the mandate and scope of this subgroup. Our task is to provide a framework for interpreting the Bylaw.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is good to work on an idealistic world but we have to realistic, too.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">That I can agree with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Best, Erich Schweighofer<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Greg</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: <a href="mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org">ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org">ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org</a>] Im Auftrag von Niels ten Oever<br>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. September 2016 11:18<br>
An: <a href="mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org">ws2-hr@icann.org</a><br>
Betreff: [Ws2-hr] Proposed agenda meeting September 27 - 19:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dear all,<br>
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Please find underneath and attached the proposed agenda for the call of September 27, 19:00 UTC.<br>
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Comments and suggestions are welcome.<br>
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1. Administrivia<br>
Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc<br>
2. Analysis of Ruggie Principles for ICANN - discussion on UN Guiding Principles 15, 13, 19 3. AOB<br>
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Best,<br>
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Niels<br>
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