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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would suggest that we continue on a constructive path. My comment (quoted partially in your email) is intended to highlight
that our common ground up to now is to analyze the UNGP on a case by case basis – and logically their usefulness would be determined by the fact that we had problems or not – and if so to what extent etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Any assumption beyond that, both the one you infer from that partial quote as the one you are furthering from the very
beginning of these discussions has not received any consensus or agreement within this group that I am aware of.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Therefore, let’s go back to work, let’s not try to infer general assumptions, and let’s analyze what is useful and what
is not from the UNGP, based on facts and not on fears.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jorge
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">, 4. Oktober 2016 20:25<br>
<b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Niels ten Oever <lists@nielstenoever.net>; ws2-hr@icann.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Ws2-hr] New Draft Text for FoI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">First, as a fellow rapporteur I understand the need to move forward, and to create something to react to. I do feel however that we are jumping the gun.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I would like to sign on to the concerns expressed by Bastiaan, who in turn is citing the concerns of Matthew and Tatiana.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Based on our discussions so far, we have no consensus on whether, to what extent, or how any of the UNGPs might be applied. Yet the document seems to start from the opposite assumption. That
concerns me, as I don't think that makes the process shorter but rather complicates our process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I'll paste in a statement that I made in comments to the document (apologies for not providing context):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We are not merely seeing "where specific problems may be identified." That is tantamount to assuming the UNGPs are in, unless "problems can be identified." We are not operating under any
such assumption. If anything, we are operating under the opposite assumption. We are seeing where the UNGPs can be applied to our work. In other words, no part of the UNGPs are in, unless there is consensus that they are in. Furthermore, there is no assumption
that we are taking all or any part of the UNGP "as is" as opposed to being revised, modified, limited, etc. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 4:36 AM, <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry, I forgot to add that I have included a series of comments in the Google doc - hope they are helpful<br>
Regards<br>
Jorge<br>
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: <a href="mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org">ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org">ws2-hr-bounces@icann.org</a>] Im Auftrag von
<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><br>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2016 10:06<br>
An: <a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:ws2-hr@icann.org">ws2-hr@icann.org</a><br>
Betreff: Re: [Ws2-hr] New Draft Text for FoI<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dear Niels<br>
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thanks for this constructive and useful first draft on the issue.<br>
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best<br>
<br>
Jorge<br>
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Von meinem iPhone gesendet<br>
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> Am 03.10.2016 um 17:07 schrieb Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>>:<br>
><br>
> Dear all,<br>
><br>
> I hope this e-mail finds you well. To ensure nothing of our<br>
> constructive discussions is getting lost, and to help us continue to<br>
> be very concrete, I would like to share with you the attached<br>
> document, that can also be found here (page 2 onwards):<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1emqmzyB9_0vm6oKxhIWZ47L7lxcFKUBHVn" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1emqmzyB9_0vm6oKxhIWZ47L7lxcFKUBHVn</a><br>
> kBYUOsA2Q/edit<br>
><br>
> The document aims to represent a sedimentation of our discussion and<br>
> suggest a way forward, by providing potential text for the Framework<br>
> of Interpretation. Partially inspired by the reaction of John Ruggie<br>
> when I brought up our concerns with him.<br>
><br>
> I hope this proves to be useful, and I am more than happy to discuss<br>
> it with you all on the list and the call, and of course work on<br>
> suggestions and comments in the Google Doc.<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
><br>
> Niels<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Niels ten Oever<br>
> Head of Digital<br>
><br>
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