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<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Let's ask ourselves: what is the reason that we have a dormant
bylaw?</p>
<p>The reason is that there were concerns raised that it creates too
much of uncertainty with regard to how interpret it and what the
consequences are. <br>
</p>
<p>Now let's ask ourselves: does this FoI we drafted addresses the
concerns? Does it even address all the bullet points from the
Annex 12? Can you really honestly answer "yes"? And if it doesn't
address all the bullet points, can we seriously say that we
considered all the points in the group, had an open discussion and
decided - one by one - which of them are outside of our mandate
and can't be addressed? We had some broad discussion in the
beginning, where many of the group members raised different
issues. We said - oh let us draft this text first, the broad
interpretation, and then we go to the particular issues. The
drafting on this text has been considered as a way to move on and
then answer different questions. There were many issues in two or
three documents we have in the beginning. I remember how they were
"resolved" - by just pressing the button "resolve the comment" in
the google doc. This was it. <br>
</p>
<p>While I am proud of what has been achieved by our small drafting
team and I think the text of FoI for the purpose of interpretation
of the bylaw *text* fulfills the task, I believe this was just one
of the tasks. I do not see how this FoI wakes the bylaw up, how it
addresses the primary concerns that were the reasons for making it
dormant. <br>
</p>
<p>As to Annex 12 bullet points, as you said we touched them to a
greater or lesser degree. Which one are touched to a lesser
degree? Was this lesser degree enough really to elaborate on them?
Have we discuss the bullet points one by one?</p>
<p>No, I don't think we have to redraft what we have written, but we
have to revise it and add conclusions for other bullet points. If
we are tasked to develop only one document - which FoI - it has to
address all the points. And we we think they are irrelevant or
have to be touched to a lesser degree - we have to state it in the
document.</p>
<p>Warm regards</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/01/17 15:47, matthew shears
wrote:<br>
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<p>I think we have to be careful in how we interpret Annex 12. It
says: <br>
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bullets in Annex 12 are things to consider in elaborating the
language that we use in the FoI, not questions that have to be
answered. Have we considered the issues raised in Annex 12?
Yes, to a greater or lesser degree and I suspect that we have
touched upon all of them a number of times in our various
discussions. <br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">I
think we need to agree on an approach as to how we should
account for the bullets. Have we addressed them - considered
them - enough as we were writing the FoI? And if they are not
accounted for in some form in the FoI do we write a para on
each saying what the result of our considerations were?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">Also,
and this may be an issue of interpretation, but I always
understood that the FoI does not operationalize the bylaw. It
provides context and guidance as to how it should be
interpreted. Operationalizing the bylaw - or how it is
implemented - is what some of those bullets are getting at in
Annex 12 - and those are issues beyond the FoI. That is what
I thought we were starting to address before we asked the CCWG
for guidance (which has, I believe, great merit).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">Matthew<br>
</span></p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/01/2017 13:06, Nigel Roberts
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:588B45EA.7080707@channelisles.net"
type="cite">This is a good summary of where we are. <br>
<br>
<br>
On 27/01/17 11:40, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear all, <br>
<br>
I don't think the group at this point can "confirm that it has
completed <br>
developing the Human Rights FOI per Annex 12 of the
CCWG-Accountability <br>
WS1 Recommendations" as recommended by co-chairs. What we have
done is <br>
interpreted the text of the bylaw. I do not believe the
current version <br>
of FoI addresses all the issues from the Annex 12, moreover.
Neither do <br>
I believe it makes bylaw operational. <br>
<br>
The initial idea was that the bylaw will come into force after
the <br>
adoption of FoI. I have some difficulties to imagine how the
current FoI <br>
will really operationalise the bylaw. Even the fact that we
didn't <br>
answer all the questions from the Annex 12 in the current
version of FoE <br>
makes our task incomplete. Furthermore, we had some issues
raised on the <br>
mailing list in the beginning, like the one from Farzaneh,
about ccTLDs <br>
and Human Rights - we have not addressed or considered these
issues. The <br>
idea behind the dormant bylaw was that it creates to much
ambiguity <br>
without the FoI. The current draft of FoI doesn't really solve
this <br>
problem. <br>
<br>
So the only way I see is to redraft the FoE to include
everything we <br>
have to include. <br>
<br>
Happy to hear other opinions. <br>
<br>
Warm regards <br>
<br>
Tanya <br>
<br>
<br>
On 27/01/17 09:43, Niels ten Oever wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear all, <br>
<br>
Please find underneath the message that has been shared by
the co-chairs <br>
to the plenary list yesterday. I would be very curious to
hear what your <br>
initial reaction is. <br>
<br>
All the best, <br>
<br>
Niels <br>
<br>
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Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Scope of mandate on HR FOI <br>
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:11:05 -0600 <br>
From: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<br>
<br>
Dear all, <br>
<br>
The Co-Chairs have considered the question from the Human
Rights <br>
sub-group regarding the scope of its mandate with respect ot
WS2. <br>
<br>
The Co-Chairs will note that although there may be some
ambiguity in <br>
interpreting the WS2 requirements for the Human Rights
sub-group between <br>
Annex 6 and Annex 12 of its WS1 recommendations that this
should not be <br>
surprising given the timeline we were working under for WS1.
The <br>
Co-Chairs will note that all the other sub-groups are
referring to Annex <br>
12 to define the scope of their work and that it would make
sense from a <br>
consistency point of view that the Human Rights sub-group do
so also. <br>
<br>
The Co-Chairs further note that some of the "considerations"
requested <br>
of the Human Rights sub-group seem rather open ended such as
“Consider <br>
how the interpretation and implementation of this Bylaw will
interact <br>
with existing and future ICANN policies and procedures.”.
Although this <br>
would certainly be an interesting intellectual exercise it
is unclear <br>
how long it would take to complete this or what effect it
could actually <br>
have on the FOI that has been produced. <br>
<br>
Considering these and other factors the Co-Chairs would
recommend that <br>
the Human Rights sub-group confirm that it has completed
developing the <br>
Human Rights FOI per Annex 12 of the CCWG-Accountability WS1
<br>
Recommendations. <br>
<br>
Should the sub-group feel that it should develop suggestions
for ICANN <br>
implementing the HR FOI based on its work to date the
Co-Chairs would be <br>
amenable to this and would invite the HR sub-group to submit
any such <br>
suggestions to the plenary for consideration by early May
2017, if there <br>
was no objection from the plenary. <br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
<br>
<br>
Thomas, Mathieu and León <br>
<br>
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