[Ws2-jurisdiction] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions

Tue Sep 26 12:27:04 UTC 2017

Does Kavouss's explanation help anybody in their decision whether or not to
include this suggested change in the report?

Becky, here is all that the Registrar wrote:

*Unfortunately our policy restricts doing business with Iranian
customers/resellers, even if they aren't living in Iran, but have an
Iranian passport.*

Any connection to OFAC would be an assumption only.

Greg

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:05 AM Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr at team.neustar> wrote:

> Could someone clarify one point for me?  Did the Registrar affirmatively
> state that it was unwilling to work with Iranian reseller because of OFAC?
> Or  it that an assumption only?
>
> Becky Burr
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 18:26, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Greg
>
> Thanks
>
> The issue is that the Registrar refusal to get involved in the business
> apparently and perhaps  actually  resulted from misinterpretation of OFAC
> Regulations as that Registrar was over prudent to totally exclude any
> likelihood of application of OFAC by US to the case .
>
> If in the view of the group , see the compilation of views by all of you
> as conveyed to you as a cut and paste text  , there is no link between
> the request and OFAC then it should be explained  that such irrelevance
> of the refusal to OFAC as the refusal seemed to have been based on the  misinterpretation
> of the Registrar  that there might have been a relation thereto
>
> Then, the group  while confirming  that  inapplicability of OFAC to the
> case needs to (to be mentioned in the document  to clarify the matter for
> the case and for any future misinterpretation.
>
> Moreover, the group needs to mention that the need to verify whether there
> is a clear provision in the RAA to obligate the Registrar to enter into
> business with registrant or there is no provision to authorise it to refuse
> ,i.e. silent situation in RAA . In that case the Group while excluding the
> applicability or relation between the request and OFAC recommend ICANN to
> examine the matter and take necessary action, as appropriate
>
> Regards
>
> Kavouss
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Kavouss,
>>
>> It might help Paul and others to understand your point if you could
>> explain your three points, specifically:
>> a) Why it is necessary to include this case/anecdote in the OFAC
>> Recommendation
>> b) Why it is relevant to the OFAC Recommendation that Resello's decision
>> could *not* be attributed to OFAC applicability
>> c) Why it is relevant to the OFAC Recommendation that the RAA has no
>> obligation for the Registrar to enter into the requested Reseller agreement
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul
>>> You have never ever Been at loss
>>> This addition is necessary to address the case as contained in my
>>> suggestion as further elaborated in the sense a) to include the case as
>>> reported , b) to mention that the refusal of Resello could not be
>>> attributed to the likelihood of OFAC applicability and c) to Mention that
>>> RAA is silent in obligation of Registrar to enter into business with
>>> requérant of domain name purchase as well as its refusal
>>> I hope it is clear
>>> Tks
>>> Kavouss
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 00:57, Paul Rosenzweig <
>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We already have .. at some length.  I confess in this instance I really
>>> am at a loss as to what more is desired.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>>
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>>>
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>>> *From:* Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch [mailto:Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch
>>> <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:25 AM
>>> *To:* paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com; olgacavalli at gmail.com;
>>> Samantha.Eisner at icann.org
>>> *Cc:* ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org
>>> *Subject:* AW: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation --
>>> Further Suggested Revisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all, dear Paul,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I guess what is being highlighted is a potential „chilling effect“ that
>>> could be addressed through improved awareness and communication – something
>>> we may well mention in this recommendation…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org [
>>> mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>>> <ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>] *Im Auftrag von *Paul Rosenzweig
>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 25. September 2017 16:12
>>> *An:* 'Olga Cavalli' <olgacavalli at gmail.com>; 'Samantha Eisner' <
>>> Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>
>>> *Cc:* 'ws2-jurisdiction' <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation --
>>> Further Suggested Revisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the end, the problem is that the question of RAA implementation is a
>>> completely differerent issue from OFAC.   The real reason this is
>>> problematic is that an unreleated issue is being shoehorned into an
>>> existing, otherwise complete, recommendation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We should move consideration of the RAA issue raised to a new issue
>>> subhead in the Subgroup.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>>
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>>>
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>>> *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org [
>>> mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>>> <ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Olga Cavalli
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 23, 2017 4:42 PM
>>> *To:* Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>
>>> *Cc:* ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation --
>>> Further Suggested Revisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> could it be possible to address Mr Araste's concerns?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> perhaps producing a new document with references to comments by himself
>>> and others?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This could be very useful for us following the discussion as the thread
>>> of emails sometimes becomes confusing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> best regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Olga
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-09-22 14:52 GMT-07:00 Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>:
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay in responding - I'm traveling internationally and
>>> have not been able to stay fully on top of the email traffic.  Greg and
>>> Paul, thank you for your responses on the issue and for also recognizing
>>> that the question does reach into providing legal advice that ICANN is not
>>> in a position to give.  I agree with your analyses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As noted, I've previously stated that ICANN agrees that OFAC does not
>>> apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with
>>> ICANN.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Contracted parties each need to assess for themselves whether they must
>>> comply with the OFAC regulations based on whatever business factors they
>>> choose to take into account.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Samantha Eisner
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org <
>>> ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Greg Shatan <
>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2017 11:09 AM
>>> *To:* Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>> *Cc:* ws2-jurisdiction
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation --
>>> Further Suggested Revisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tijani,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul is being a bit lawyerly and careful and emphasizing that there is
>>> no positive statement in the law or regulations that one can point to and
>>> say, "this says OFAC doesn’t apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties
>>> solely due to their contracts with ICANN."  He has also explained that
>>> there would not be, because that's not how laws work (or regulations,
>>> except if there were a general license -- but a general license would only
>>> be needed if the sanctions would otherwise apply).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam is also being careful (and has to be, because ICANN cannot give
>>> legal advice on OFAC compliance to contracted parties), when she confirms
>>> that "ICANN cannot and does not obligate its contracted parties to follow
>>> OFAC regulations."  But consider that Sam also said that "*ICANN agrees
>>> that OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to
>>> a contract with ICANN*."  Considering how careful ICANN has to be in
>>> not giving legal advice on OFAC compliance, this should be highly
>>> persuasive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Consider also that all contracting parties would be in breach of their
>>> ICANN contracts if US law required them all to comply with OFAC because
>>> they have an ICANN contract and they did not do so.  Do you think ICANN or
>>> the US government would tolerate such widespread violation of law and
>>> breach of contract?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Like Becky I'll be a little less lawyerly, and say that I can find
>>> absolutely no basis for concern that OFAC applies to any of ICANN's
>>> contracted parties solely because they have entered into a contract with
>>> ICANN.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <
>>> tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Paul,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, since no firm answer can be given, it is not sure that OFAC doesn’t apply
>>> to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to their contracts with
>>> ICANN, which is a concern in my opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
>>>
>>> Executive Director
>>>
>>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
>>>
>>> Phone: +216 98 330 114 <+216%2098%20330%20114>
>>>
>>>             +216 52 385 114 <+216%2052%20385%20114>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 22 sept. 2017 à 13:13, Paul Rosenzweig <
>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Tijani
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let me try.  You ask “According to the California or US jurisdictions”
>>> I assume you mean EITHER the executive branches of those areas or their
>>> courts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As to California – OFAC is a Federal law, so the California state
>>> government would have no authority to construe the law or enforce it.  As a
>>> result, no action to enforce OFAC requirements has ever been brought by
>>> California or adjudicated by California courts.  Since the law is outside
>>> of their scope of reference this is not surprising.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As to the Federal government, its rules regarding the scope of OFAC are
>>> set forth in regulations that are discussed in detail in the draft report
>>> the group put together.  Those regulations do not directly address ICANN
>>> (or any other specific business entity) but describe widely the categories
>>> and types of people and institutions to which it applies.  The US
>>> government through the Department of Treasury has never been asked about
>>> ICANN’s contracted parties directly and if asked they probably would refuse
>>> to answer a hypothetical.  So we are left only with the regulations – and
>>> as to those, I agree with Sam that the best reading of them is that they
>>> apply to ICANN but not the contracted parties (unless the contracted
>>> parties are themselves US companies independently subject to OFAC).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since no enforcement action has ever been brought against ICANN or a
>>> contracted party in a US court, no US court has ever answered the question
>>> you ask
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope that helps
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>>
>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>
>>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <(202)%20547-0660>
>>>
>>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <(202)%20329-9650>
>>>
>>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 <(202)%20738-1739>
>>>
>>> www.redbranchconsulting.com[redbranchconsulting.com]
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.redbranchconsulting.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=w1jlqVWntmqtI5dedIDLQ6uBxH_Jh-uBee_4imohzko&m=dYTtbBIgukseIqTDSE_jTP6FcRo3hGEm3jck9IgSNlI&s=FsheHq6zPytklxrdyXT0gBBB9bIiM9n2wk_Fbuglkwg&e=>
>>>
>>> My PGP Key:
>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>> [keys.mailvelope.com]
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org [
>>> mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>>> <ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:22 PM
>>> *To:* Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>
>>> *Cc:* ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation --
>>> Further Suggested Revisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Sam,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You didn’t answer my question which was:
>>>
>>> According to the California and US jurisdictions, does OFAC apply to any
>>> of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to their contracts with ICANN?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will very much appreciate a clear and to the point answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
>>>
>>> Executive Director
>>>
>>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
>>>
>>> Phone: +216 98 330 114 <+216%2098%20330%20114>
>>>
>>>             +216 52 385 114 <+216%2052%20385%20114>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 21 sept. 2017 à 20:45, Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner at icann.org> a
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ICANN cannot and does not obligate its contracted parties to follow OFAC
>>> regulations.  ICANN requires them to follow applicable laws.
>>>
>>> —
>>>
>>> Samantha Eisner
>>>
>>> Deputy General Counsel, ICANN
>>>
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>>>
>>> Los Angeles, California 90094
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>>>
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>>> 310 578 8631 <(310)%20578-8631>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From: *Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn>
>>> *Date: *Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 3:20 PM
>>> *To: *Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc: *Samantha Eisner <samantha.eisner at icann.org>, ws2-jurisdiction <
>>> ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: OFAC Recommendation --
>>> Further Suggested Revisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you Samantha,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You said « ICANN agrees that OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's
>>> contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN. ». Does that mean
>>> that according to the California and US jurisdictions, OFAC does not apply
>>> to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
>>>
>>> Executive Director
>>>
>>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
>>>
>>> Phone: +216 98 330 114 <+216%2098%20330%20114>
>>>
>>>             +216 52 385 114 <+216%2052%20385%20114>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 20 sept. 2017 à 21:44, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> a écrit
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for that helpful response Samantha!
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile
>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2017 9:37 PM, "Samantha Eisner" <Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Seun -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To your question below, and as noted in my presentation to the
>>> Jurisdiction group below, ICANN agrees that OFAC does not apply to any of
>>> ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN.  However,
>>> ICANN cannot provide any advice to a contracted party as to which laws and
>>> regulations are (or are not) applicable, and each contracted party is
>>> responsible for understanding that as part of their business operations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Samantha Eisner
>>>
>>> Deputy General Counsel, ICANN
>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:*ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org <
>>> ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <
>>> seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:17 PM
>>> *To:* Mueller, Milton L
>>> *Cc:* ws2-jurisdiction
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further
>>> Suggested Revisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile
>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2017 4:03 PM, "Mueller, Milton L" <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> We do ask ICANN to clarify that registrars do not need to follow OFAC
>>> sanctions simply due to their contracts with ICANN, and that is important.
>>>
>>> SO: Can we get ICANN legal to respond to the above as I think it will
>>> help someone like myself move from sitting on the fence on this particular
>>> topic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>>> ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Kavouss Arasteh
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:48 AM
>>> *To:* Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <thiago.jardim at itamaraty.gov.br>;
>>> Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <
>>> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>; Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
>>> *Cc:* ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further
>>> Suggested Revisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Deaar Thiago, Dear Jorge,
>>>
>>> Thanks to your positive r3sponse .I am waiting for Greg to resolve the
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> I strongly oppose to the  unilateral removal of the last paragraph as
>>> result of off line exchange of views between two or three individual.
>>>
>>> We should be transparent
>>>
>>> We should listen to each other.We should consider problems of others
>>>
>>> Tks
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Kavouss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <
>>> thiago.jardim at itamaraty.gov.br> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Greg,
>>>
>>> I add my voice to Jorge's suggestion and look forward to an agreeable
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Thiago
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Mensagem original-----
>>> De: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
>>> ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org] Em nome de
>>> Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch
>>> Enviada em: quarta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2017 05:10
>>> Para: gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>> Cc: ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org
>>> Assunto: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested
>>> Revisions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Greg,
>>>
>>> would it be possible that Kavouss' concerns are addressed by you also
>>> bilaterally as he seems not to be satisfied with these explanations, This
>>> could help avoiding any misunderstanding?
>>>
>>> I feel we are very close to consensus and such an effort would most
>>> probably be helpful in order to allow all to be on board.
>>>
>>> kind regards
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Von: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>> Datum: 20. September 2017 um 07:25:56 MESZ
>>> An: Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested
>>> Revisions
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I wanted to reflect in this email thread how the various topics in the
>>> paragraph submitted by Kavouss for potential inclusion in the "General
>>> License" recommendation have been dealt with in the document.  Here are the
>>> different sections of the text, followed by my notes in italics.
>>>
>>> Generally, ICANN must pursue the application for general license at
>>> earliest time and should advertise and communicate with registries and
>>> registrars to revise their registrant agreements and not to copy and paste
>>> the general agreements found in US-based registrars. The role of ICANN, to
>>> make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be
>>> undermined.
>>>
>>> This is now covered in the section on General Licenses, so this is not
>>> needed here.
>>>
>>> There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US
>>> registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately
>>> because they might get affected by US sanctions.
>>>
>>> This is not related to General Licenses, so it should not be included in
>>> that recommendation.  Regarding non-US registrars: This issue is generally
>>> discussed in the section "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US
>>> Registrars." If the Subgroup receives media reports of non-US registrars
>>> taking such actions and it appears there may be no legal basis for these
>>> actions, we could cite them in this section.  Since the Subgroup has not
>>> seen the reports mentioned here, we do not have any basis to include this
>>> sentence, and so it is not included.
>>>
>>> Regarding US registrars, who have OFAC compliance obligations, there
>>> does not appear to be an issue that falls within the purview of the
>>> Subgroup.  It may well be that these registrars are complying with their
>>> legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal
>>> obligations).
>>>
>>> Samples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic, which made
>>> pressure against registrants having Iranian citizenship.
>>>
>>> These are both US-based registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC
>>> sanctions. As noted above, it may well be that these registrars are
>>> complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with
>>> their legal obligations). This does not fit with the issue discussed in
>>> this report, which relates to mistaken application of OFAC sanctions by
>>> non-US registrars, so it is not included.
>>>
>>> To determine the nature of registrant, registrars usually refer to Admin
>>> contact details recorded in whois database. If admin address and phone
>>> number is related to sanctioned countries, it is assumed that domain owner
>>> is a hidden risk for the registrar, therefore registrars try to examine
>>> zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.
>>>
>>> This is not related to the General License either.  This seems to be
>>> directed toward registrars' business practices and business judgment.
>>> Without commenting on the validity of the issue, this would not appear to
>>> be an issue for this Subgroup or the CCWG.  Furthermore, if these are
>>> registrars with OFAC compliance obligations, then it may well be that these
>>> registrars are complying with their legal obligations.  If these are non-US
>>> registrars without OFAC compliance obligations, then this issue is covered
>>> generally under "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars."  As
>>> such the paragraph is not included.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Dear Paul
>>> Thank you very much for your comments
>>> I am open to soften the text as you suggested e.g. to replace " prove "
>>> by " determine" and the term"must" be a less stronger term such as" need"
>>> which is between must/ shall/ and may However, due to the fact that we are
>>> severely affected  by the process, may I humbly request you to kindly agree
>>> to retain the idea with slightly modified text to also be agreeable to you.
>>> I am jerky awaiting to receive your fair suggestion as soon possible
>>> Regards Kavouss
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 19 Sep 2017, at 02:16, Paul Rosenzweig <
>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:
>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All
>>>
>>> Given the lateness with which we received Kavouss's suggested paragraph
>>> and revisions and the fact that I, regretfully, could not make the call,
>>> let me note my disagreement with two aspects of it:
>>>
>>> First, on page 5, it is suggested that a survey be undertaken to "prove"
>>> that non-US registrars are imposing OFAC requirements.  Since the point of
>>> the survey is to determine what is true, it is premature to assume that it
>>> will "prove" the facts assumed by the proposer.  The word "prove" is
>>> therefore in error and should be replaced by "determent whether"
>>>
>>> Second, I oppose the proposed new paragraph at the end simply because,
>>> as written, I have absolutely no idea what is meant.  But use of terms like
>>> "must" as an imperative are always inappropriate in recommendations.
>>> Insofar as I can discern the intent (that there is some action being taken
>>> by registries against registrants) that issue is a new one that needs to be
>>> fully discussed and it is, of course, quite different from the OFAC general
>>> license idea for ICANN that we have been discussing (which would only
>>> relate to ICANN's on RAA agreements).
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Paul Rosenzweig
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>>> From: ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org<mailto:
>>> ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:
>>> ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan
>>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:13 PM
>>> To: ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org<mailto:
>>> ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested
>>> Revisions
>>>
>>> CORRECTED VERSION ATTACHED.  A paragraph suggested by Kavouss, which is
>>> in the Google Doc, did not show up in the Word document (nor in the PDF,
>>> which is based on the Word doc).  Corrected versions are attached. Thank
>>> you to Kavouss for catching this.  Please see the last paragraph in the
>>> document so that you can review this suggested text.
>>>
>>> Also, some crossed-out text at the very end that was supposed to be
>>> deleted (as noted on last week's call) has now been deleted from the
>>> attached (and the Google Doc).
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I have attached a further revised OFAC Recommendation, reflecting
>>> changes suggested by Kavouss Arasteh and Seun Ojedeji.  Word and PDF
>>> versions are attached, and the Google Doc reflects these suggested changes
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> I look forward to our call.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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