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<p><font face="Verdana">Dear co-coordinators of the sub group</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">I dont want to extend your volunteering
energies, but is the list of members/ observers of this sub
group available somewhere. Thanks, parminder </font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 23 August 2016 09:43 PM,
parminder wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 18 August 2016 11:40 PM,
Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Parminder,</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">13:00 UTC is 6:00 am
in the Pacific Time Zone, which includes the Western US
(e.g., Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle,
Phoenix, etc.) and Canada (e.g., Vancouver). On the other
end, 13:00 UTC is 1 am in New Zealand. <br>
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Thanks Greg,<br>
That certainly is a problem. But so is 1900 UTC which is 1230 past
midnight in India, and 1 AM the entire world east of Bangladesh --
Id say a considerably bigger part of the world. I think we need
some balancing of perspectives here. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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Sorry, is this UTC? <br>
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parminder <br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> that takes in the
Mountain Time Zone, which also includes a big swath of the
US and Canada (e.g., Denver, Salt Lake City, Edmonton,
Calgary, Winnipeg, etc.) as well as a portion of Central
America (Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, etc.). If we
include 11 pm, that brings in eastern Australia (e.g.,
Melbourne, Sydney, etc.)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:50 AM,
parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>On Wednesday 17 August 2016 11:40 PM, <a
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href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn"
target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a>
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<p>For the purpose of sharing the inconvenience of
difficult time for the call, I also accept time
rotation.</p>
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</span> It will be good to see what are to be called
'off hours' or 'difficult time' . If it is midnight to
say 6 or 7 AM, I am not sure any participant falls in
that period for the 1300 hrs UTC slot.... But I am just
guessing... parminder <br>
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<p><span>Le 17 août 2016 à 18:35, McAuley, David
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dmcauley@verisign.com"
target="_blank"><span>dmcauley@verisign.com</span></a>>
a écrit :</span></p>
<p><span>Thanks Greg and others for moving this
forward.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>I personally think that the time should
be rotated to allow for a fair distribution of
the inconvenience of participating in
off-hours.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>David</span></p>
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<p><span>David McAuley</span></p>
<p><span>International Policy Manager</span></p>
<p><span>Verisign Inc.</span></p>
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<p><span><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of</b> Greg Shatan</span></p>
<p><span><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 17, 2016
1:30 PM</span></p>
<p><span><b>To:</b> Mike Silber</span></p>
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<p><span><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction]
RES: Welcome to the WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup!</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>All,</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>Thanks for your comments to date. We've
heard from about a half-dozen members so far,
and it would be helpful to hear from more
before fixing a long-term slot or rotation.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>In my view we need to accommodate our
members as best we can, so we can do our work;
those are the demographics we need to deal
with. I will note that "Iran and west"
includes not only NA and EU, but also AF (as
pointed out by Mike Silber) and SA, as well as
the Middle East, Western Asia and portions of
Central Asia. I will also note that among the
4 respondents from "east of Iran" the votes
for the 13:00 time slot, there were 2 yes
votes, 1 if need be and 1 no.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>All that said, this is a decision to be
made by the group, and as such, the more
members' voices heard the better. I'm not
sure running another doodle poll would help,
but I'd rather let the discussion go forward
first. One shortcoming of polls is that they
do not allow for dialogue. As such, if there
is another poll, let's have it after further
dialogue, so that the participants can keep in
mind various viewpoints as they respond.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>In the interests of transparency, here
are the quantitative results from the Doodle
poll. I excluded all results involving the
05:00 time slot, since there was little
support for this slot in any configuration.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>Greg</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td colspan="7" valign="top">
<p><span><b>FIXED TIME VS. ROTATION SURVEY</b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b>MEMBERS ONLY</b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b>Yes</b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b>If Need be</b></span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span><b>No</b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>19:00 Fixed Time</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>18</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>1</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>4</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>13:00 Fixed Time</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>10</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>3</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>10</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>13/19 Rotation</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>11</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>7</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>5</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b>ALL PARTICIPANTS</b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b> </b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b> </b></span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span><b> </b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>19:00 Fixed Time</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>21</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>2</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>7</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>13:00 Fixed Time</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>13</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>5</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>12</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>13/19 Rotation</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>13</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>9</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>8</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="7" valign="top">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="middle">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="10" valign="top">
<p><span><b>TIME OF DAY SURVEY</b> (Yes :
If Need Be : No)</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">
<p><span><b>MEMBERS ONLY</b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b>Monday</b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b>Tuesday</b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="top">
<p><span><b>Wednesday</b></span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span><b>Thursday</b></span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span><b>Friday</b></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>19:00</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>20:0:9</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>16:1:11</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="top">
<p><span>17:1:10</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>17:0:11</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>14:0:14</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>13:00</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>10:2:17</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>17:4:11</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="top">
<p><span>14:3:11</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>14:2:12</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>15:2:11</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="top">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span> </span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">
<p><span><b>ALL PARTICIPANTS</b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b> </b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span><b> </b></span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="top">
<p><span><b> </b></span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span><b> </b></span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span><b> </b></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>19:00</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>24:2:10</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>19:3:14</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="top">
<p><span>21:2:14</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>20:0:16</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>18:1:17</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>13:00</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>15:2:19</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="2" valign="top">
<p><span>17:5:14</span></p>
</td>
<td colspan="3" valign="top">
<p><span>19:3:14</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>17:2:17</span></p>
</td>
<td valign="top">
<p><span>20:2:14</span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
<td valign="middle">
<p> </p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Mike
Silber <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><span>silber.mike@gmail.com</span></a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<p><span>On 17 Aug 2016, at 14:26, Mueller, Milton
L <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"
target="_blank"><span>milton@gatech.edu</span></a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>Greg:</span></p>
<p><span>I think it makes sense to alternate the
meeting time, especially if there was
something near to a bimodal distribution of
preferences. While it may be true that a
(NA-EU) majority finds the 19:00 UTC time most
convenient, by alternating we can incorporate
the preferences of a larger segment of the
group.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p><span>Just as aside - AF finds 19:00 convenient
too, but it seems the thoughts of Africa are
not that relevant</span></p>
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