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<p><font face="Verdana">Hi All,</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Having volunteered to be a participant in
this group, first of all </font><font face="Verdana">I must </font><font
face="Verdana">apologize for my absence over the last many weeks
- I was on a long vacation and only recently came back. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">I did not attend yesterday's meeting because
I hadnt read the exchanges on this list and the transcripts of
the previous meetings - thought it inopportune to participate
without doing so. Having done it now, allow me to share some
comments. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">(1) Regarding multiple layers of the
'jurisdiction issue':</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">The main concern historically, and also to
me, under the 'jurisdiction issue' has been of application of
'public law' of one country (including the authority of its
various executive agencies) to the critical global
infrastructure that ICANN manages. It is not just about 'private
law', which has always been much less of a problem. Unlike
'private law', there is no choice with respect to 'public law',
it is compulsory and backed by the full coercive force of the
state. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana"> I am not sure where it fits in the table of
jurisdictional layers circulated by Greg, but probably in the
'jurisdiction of incorporation'. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">In the plenary elist discussion, I had </font><font
face="Verdana"> illustrated</font><font face="Verdana"> various
problems with the application of US public law </font><font
face="Verdana"><font face="Verdana">(including the authority of
its various executive agencies)</font> to ICANN. I do not want
to repeat them here. My question to the group, and specifically
its chairs, is; are we considering this issue of application of
US public law to ICANN, and the problems that it may cause with
respect to its policy processes, and being able to appropriately
carry out its global governance role? <br>
</font></p>
<p>(2) On the other much discussed issue of 'gap analysis':</p>
<p>I completely agree with those who have said here that with
respect to 'whether Californian law has any significant gaps
regarding appropriate and satisfactory carrying out of new
accountability processes' there really is not much to discuss.
These processes were specifically constructed out of the
possibilities contained in Californian law, by experienced legal
experts, and repeatedly analysed and tested by them, and then by
others. <br>
</p>
<p>Is there anyone here who seriously thinks that there could be
gaps with regard to Californian law in operationalising the new
accountability processes? I really want to know. Let us spend time
only on such issues where there is some real, stated concern. And
if there is none, as I suspect in this case (happy to be
corrected, but with a precise statement of concern), lets move on
and not waste precious time. <br>
</p>
<p>The focus of 'gap analysis' should be elsewhere. Our <a
href="At+this+point+in+the+CCWG-Accountability%92s+work,+the+main+issues+that+need+to+be+investigated+within+Work+Stream+2+relate+to+the+influence+that+ICANN%92s+existing+jurisdiction+may+have+on+the+actual+operation+of+policies+and+accountability+mechanisms.">early
guiding documents for this WG </a>says "
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id="docs-internal-guid-4c30cf9a-99ef-4095-baed-db0f622ba7d8">At
this point in the CCWG-Accountability’s work, the main issues
that need to be investigated within Work Stream 2 relate to the
influence that ICANN’s existing jurisdiction may have on the
actual operation of policies and accountability mechanisms."</span></p>
<p>IMHO it is not so much the influence of ICANN's existing
jurisdiction on "accountability mechanisms" that needs to be
probed (though happy to hear the contrary case with clear
statement of concerns and issues). What is needed is to examine
the influence of ICANN's existing jurisdiction as on "actual
operation of policies". <br>
</p>
<p>Accordingly, let me give a very brief but illustrated outline of
the kind of gaps, issues and concerns that come up here. <br>
</p>
<p>A US court deciding that .xxx delegation violates US competition
laws, and is therefore nullified, directly impacts "actual
operation of ICANN policies", in the sense that though the current
delegation of .xxx is as per ICANN policies it cannot really be
operationalised. <br>
</p>
<p>Similar interference with "actual operation of ICANN policies"
could be caused by some new action by the US Office of Foreign
Assets Control. Or, of the FCC having a rethink some time later
(as it did in reclassification of Internet as title 2) that it
needs to reverse its forbearance on Internet addressing issues.
Or, US Customs forcing ICANN to seize the gTLD of a Spanish sports
streaming company or of an Indian generic drug company for alleged
being foul of US intellectual property standards (even when the
primary business of these companies is not in the US), and so
on.......... <br>
</p>
<p>I think these are the gaps in the current jurisdictional
structure around the ICANN which (adversely) influences its
"actual operation of policies". These are the sort of things that
are most salient vis a vis the jurisdiction issue, which IMHO we
should be discussing. <br>
</p>
<p>(The issue of jurisdiction as related to the application of
private/ contract law to various ICANN activities may also be
important. But the likely remedies for possible concerns in this
regard are easily agreed to. I dont think there are any
differences here about it. If there indeed are, I would like to
hear them. In fact, to first know the statement(s) of problem in
this regard. )</p>
<p>In short, what I am saying is, lets be clear about the key issues
and problems that this group actually faces, list the clear nature
of the problems, and then seek their possible resolution. And, if
they cannot be resolved, just conclude so. <br>
</p>
<p>Hope this is useful. <br>
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<p>parminder </p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 06 October 2016 02:45 AM,
Yvette Guigneaux wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">The notes, recordings and
transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 <b>Jurisdiction
Subgroup, Meeting #6</b> – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">05 October 2016 will be available
here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/x/RQi4Aw">https://community.icann.org/x/RQi4Aw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">A copy of the <span
style="color:#132857">n</span>otes may be found below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Thank you<span
style="color:#132857">.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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Regards,</span></i></b><b><i><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#3333FF">Yvette
Guigneaux<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>WS2 - Jursidiction Subgroup Meeting #6
| Wednesday, 05 October 16| 13:00 UTC</b><b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Notes (including relevant parts of
chat):<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>20 participants at the start of the
meeting.<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>1. Welcome<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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style="font-family:Symbol" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
lang="EN-CA">Greg Shatan: No changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>2. Scope of our Work<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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lang="EN-CA"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-CA">Greg
Shatan: I believe we have not yet settled the scope of our
work. We can look at the EFFECTS of the place of
incorporation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-CA">Jorge
Cancio (GAC Switzerland): Is there any new proposal on the
scope of our work? We still have Annex 12 approved by the
community in Marrakech - that should be our basis...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-CA">David
McAuley: Annex 12, paragraph 30 seems pretty clear: At
this point WS2’s focus should be on the settlement of
dispute jurisdiction issues – in that effort we should
include confirming and assessing not the “gap” but the
“gap analysis” –meaning, IMO, the provisions we have put
in place for dispute resolutions – will they/do they work?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-CA">Jean-Jacques
Subrenat: For item 3 on our agenda, I will refer to a
document of which I was a co-author, "Improving
Institutional Confidence of ICANN", see
archive.icann.org/en/psc/iic/improving-confidence-ne.pdf <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-CA">Jorge
Cancio (GAC Switzerland): I feel the discussion on scope
gets us into a circle... until we do not tackle the issues
potentially under the scope agreed in Marrakech we won't
see whether they are or not off-limits<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-CA">Tatiana
Tropina: It feels quite good - you miss the couple of
calls due to the tight travel schedule, and here we go -
moving headquarters, not moving headquarters. My opinion
stays the same - this is completely out of scope. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Tropina: Jorge, a rare case when I agree with you :D <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang="EN-CA">David
McAuley: Our job is to look at alternatives vs dispute
resolution period.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Subrenat: 1) In "Improving Institutional Confidence"
2008-09, I as one of the co-authors had proposed the
notion of "additional jurisdiction", rather than
"alternative jurisdiction". This was important: ICANN
Headquarters would not change, but jurisdiction could be
added for non-contract aspects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Corwin: vs arguing if it is in scope - does it make any
sense discussing this possibility given there are no gaps,
we have spent much money and time on making this under
California law. Looking at alternates would be a
significant undertaking which would long expensive and
arduous. Agree with DM vs our scope. I agree with one of
the previous speakers (David?) that we could agree to
distinguish 2 things, contract-related items
(US/California jurisdiction) and other items (conflict
resolution, etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Langdon-Orr (CLO): I agree with David and Phil here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shatan: PC and DM seem like logical conclusions. Worth
noting that the gNSO council has passed a condition on the
CCWG budget that it could not support work in the CCWG wrt
moving ICANN's location of incorporation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Cancio: I wish to reiterate relative to scope - we have a
scope from WS1 recommendation 12 - we should live with the
AMBIGUITY for the moment. It would be more efficient to go
to specific discussions and then we will see if there are
issues that are out of scope. To have this scope
beforehand is putting the cart before the horse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shatan: PC's remarks have moved us past scope to the
realism of moving ICANN. What are your thoughts on this
JC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Cancio: This is scope. (car analogy).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shatan: since the remit of this group is 9 months it would
seem unrealistic to think we would change the engine on
the car in that time. (reads JJS comments from chat
because of audio issues).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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da Silva: My comment is in line with JC - at this point of
time this does not make sense and it is probable that when
we complete our analysis of issues we will have the same
conclusion but it will be stronger -so we should not deal
with this at this point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Petersen, GAC - DK: Denmark is of the view that it is not
within our scope to recommend moving ICANN’s Place of
Incorporation or Headquarters Location from California.
But if anybody can point to potential problems, we might
look into means to address such problems without changing
ICANN’s place of incorporation. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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McAuley: As a member of IRP there are issues that are
related to IRP and touch on Jurisdiction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Cancio (GAC Switzerland): @David: thanks, hope that we
keep efforts in parallel well coordinated...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shatan: straw vote for this or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Ben Jemaa: uncomfortable with this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Cancio (GAC Switzerland): For the reasons given I step
away from such a straw poll<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shatan: many of our participants are arguing for this
which is why I am bringing this up. Many green ticks no
objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Subrenat 2: @Greg: I agree that "moving the headquarters
out of California" is not an urgent matter. We should
examine what ADDITIONAL jurisdictions could achieve, for
specific purposes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shatan: We have now covered points 2 and 3 in the agenda.
Let us move to item 5.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>3. Is the Possibility of
Moving ICANN’s Place of Incorporation or Headquarters
Location from California in Scope?<o:p></o:p></b></p>
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Shatan: Presentation of the slide on Multiple Layers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Subrenat: (continuing issues) Multiple layers is
interesting but what are the purposes of having additional
jurisdictions (additional vs alternate). Second remark
(dropped audio),<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shatan: Why are we not using Adobe audio JJS - most use it
for visual but audio is on phone because of quality
issues. Any comments on the slide?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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da Silva: This is a good start. and how we should start
our work. Would like a week to comment on this to see if
we need to add to this. After that we could look at each
of these as to how they affect the work of ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Corwin: There is a difference between types of contracts -
registries and registrars should probably be under US law
just for uniformity. Other parties such as real estate in
other countries is another issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Subrenat 2: @Greg: I suggest we use "additional
jurisdictions" to avoid confusion about wanting to change
headquarters or not. I was also saying it would be useful
to examine several tasks where an additional jurisdiction
would be useful, e.g. hiring people outside the US
(employment, insurance, taxes).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Shatan: A third category could be for the choice of law
for enforcing the decisions of the Empowered Community.
Encourage everyone to read JC's email. Contracts with
contracted parties are silent on choice of law or venue -
we should confirm this. Let us look and comment on the
slide in Google doc for comments. Next meeting 1900UTC
Monday. Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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