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<p><font face="Verdana">Milton,</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Thanks for your engagement with these issues</font><font
face="Verdana"> . Some responses below. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 11 October 2016 10:21 PM,
Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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</span></span><!--[endif]-->What happens if the concerned
US court holds .xxx to be against US's competition law?
Describe the steps that will follow, and how can ICANN avoid
bending its policy making process and authority to the will
of the US state.<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:windowtext">MM: I don’t think that’s a
problem for ICANN. It’s a problem for the entity that
was delegated .XXX. Since XXX holds a tiny sliver of
the domain name market, even in the porn space, this is
a very remote risk.</span></span></p>
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Is there not problem even if .xxx was not a US company owned, which
has no reason to like/ accept being governed by US laws? Milton,
when we frame regimes for rule of law, and of justice, we do not
say, well that is small fry, a small 'sliver of the market', rules
and justice has to be the same for all - small or big. It is a
question of principle -- can US law force ICANN polices, or their
operationalisation ? If they can, as you seem to agree here, it is
problem that we must find a solution to.<br>
<br>
Annex 12 says "At this point in the CCWG-Accountability’s work, the
main issues that need to be investigated within Work Stream 2 relate
to the influence that I<i><b>CANN ́s existing jurisdiction may have
on the actual operation of policies </b></i>and accountability
mechanisms." (emphasis added)<br>
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This is directly an issue where ICANN's existing jurisdiction has
influence on actual operation of its policies -- in this case its
policies under which .xxx was delegated. <br>
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</span></span><!--[endif]-->Same about .africa.<span
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style="color:windowtext">Same response.<br>
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Same response from me as well - other than that here, unlike for
.xxx, those who claim the gTLD, and thus will be affected by an
adverse decision of the US court, are parties not belonging to the
US and thus should not be dictated to by US courts. <br>
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</span></span><!--[endif]-->With 100s of new gTLDs getting
operational, many of them private closed ones with generic
names (but that is hardly the only issue, there could be
many others), is it not obvious that we will be seeing many
court cases around them... What would ICANN do the moment an
adverse judgement comes?<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:windowtext">See above. Not an issue for
ICANN. Most of these court cases are between private
parties, but even regulations or antitrust actions would
be directed against the holder of the gTLD, not ICANN.
Only if ICANN itself were accused of fostering a
monopoly would it be the target of such litigation.
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Again, you seem to be fully unaffected by how global parties -
companies, and people - who expect ICANN to be a global governance
body and thus do thing just-fully, and they able to partake equally
of the rights and benefits of a global domain name governance
systems are unable to fulfil this legitimate, and democratic,
expectation. If this means nothing to you, and only such actions
that directly affect ICANN's organisation etc are meaningful, I have
not much more to say here... My principal case is of how ICANN's
current jurisdiction affects the global DNS, its governance, its
legitimacy, justfullness, etc -- and not just now it affects ICANN's
organisation.<br>
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Perhaps lets separate these two issues then, treat them separately.
(1), impact of ICANN jurisdiction on ICANN's organisation, (2) its
impact on ICANN governance and operation of global DNS, including
allocation of gTLDs/ ccTLDs, and managing the relationship with
them. <br>
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For the me (2) is by far more important, but if (1) is your focus,
we can consider them both, separately. <br>
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4. What if OFAC doesn’t give licence to ICANN for dealing
with a particular country due to great deterioration of
relationships with the US.<br>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Now,
you have hit on a real issue. I believe however that NTIA
has taken some precautions here, but I don’t recall what
they are.
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NTIA's 'precautions' - even more so, the unrecollected ones :) -
are meaningless for non US people/ businesses who really are looking
to get out of NTIA's 'protection' - isnt that all this oversight
transition is supposed to be about ? <br>
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5. What if the FCC revises its decision of forbearance about
its authority over Internet addressing system (as it did on
the issue of whether Internet was title one or title two)?<span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">MM:
This would require legislation, because nothing in the
existing Communications Act gives the FCC any authority
over DNS or IP addressing. So this is just another example
of “what if the US legislates to regulate ICANN in some
way?” Which of course is a risk if ICANN were in ANY
jurisdiction.
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This is not true -- in the same way as, without any new legislation,
FCC revised its stand on forbearance over seeing Internet as a
telecom utility, and made it title 2. 'Forbearance' has this legal
meaning of legal authority being there but not being exercised --
FCC's chair has clearly used the term 'forbear' in recent utterances
about FCC's authority over Internet addresses. And in any case, what
if as you say such a thing will require a legislation from the US
legislature -- that is no comfort to non USians/ <br>
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6. There are almost as many US agencies that can exercise
mandate over ICANN's domain name policies as there are
sectors that the Internet and thus its naming system
impacts. (ICANN allowed some 'regulatory policies' to buyers
of .pharmacy, and going forward as it also does this with
many other sectoral domain names, all of these can be
challenged, in the courts, as well as with sectoral
regulatory bodies). What then?<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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These dangers are greatly diminished post-transition.
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I see now way how the danger of any US executive authority
exercising mandate over ICANN have diminished post transition other
than your word for it..... And then I do not want them diminished
(even that they havent), I want them extinguished. Statutory US
bodies need to and will do whatever they can to further their
policies and law, and would order any US body accordingly - nothing
has changed, one may just be imagining that it has. <br>
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If you even begin trying to deal with these questions, you
will realise what a volcanic earth we are sitting upon, in
refusing to see the public law jurisdiction issue.<span
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Don’t agree we are sitting on a volcano, but do agree
there are issues that need to be anticipated, a kind of
“stress test”</span></p>
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Yes, thanks, exactly that. We need to follow through each of these
scenarios to possible logical conclusions - looking at all plausible
ways they can go.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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