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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 26 November 2016 01:55 PM,
Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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Parminder, I see this as a request for opinions, not facts.
The whole point of this exercise is to gain specific factual
cases that show actual issues, not to provide people with an
excuse to complain about what the “think are the problems.”
I would reject adding such a question to the list
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Milton, you probably mean, you are against adding such a question
:). I dont see you have any authority to reject anything any more
than I have to reject your original formulation. <br>
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Was not the community accountability mechanism instituted just on
the basis of "what people think are the problems"? I saw no efforts
to gather facts with surveys like<br>
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"<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span
class="gmail-m6934914418304092671apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Are
you aware of any instance in which anyone's business, privacy, or
ability to use or purchase DNS-related services, has been affected
by absence of a community accountability mechanism ?</span><br>
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If any such known 'facts' exist I am unaware of them and will like
to know. <br>
<br>
In case of the question of ICANN's jurisdiction of incorporation
analytical facts are rather more evident, as raised in the civil
society statement.<br>
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The process we employ can lead towards certain kind of outcomes
rather than others. And I see this particular process being aimed at
foreclosing the jurisdiction of incorporation question. This is fact
the "application of public laws question" because immunity from such
application can be obtained even without changing ICANN's place of
jurisdiction. <br>
<br>
Meaning ICANN can stay incorporated as US non profit in California,
and it exempted from application form various public laws as per the
US immunity act that I cited. I also said that, as far as I can
understand, it is possible to keep the private disputes arising from
ICANN's organisational system, including those about enforcement of
community powers, to be subject to US/ Californian law, strictly
only for such dispute resolution as per ICANN bylaws. We need to
hear from this group why this is not possible or not preferred...<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] first draft of
fact solicitation questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
will like to add a general question to the below:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">What
do you think are the problems, if any, with continued
jurisdiction of the US state over ICANN, as a US
non-profit? Please justify your response with appropriate
examples, analysis, etc. Especially, if there are existing
and past instances that highlight such problems please
indicate them.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wednesday 23 November 2016 09:50 PM,
Mike Rodenbaugh wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">These seem well-stated, except
perhaps they should not be looking only for personal
experience, but broaden the request to seek any
experience the responder is aware of? So I suggest
something like:
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span
class="gmail-m6934914418304092671apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Are
you aware of any instance in which anyone's
business, privacy, or ability to use or purchase
DNS-related services, has been affected by ICANN's
jurisdiction in any way?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
the answer is Yes, please describe specific cases or
incidents, including the date, the parties involved,
and links to any relevant documents.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span
class="gmail-m6934914418304092671apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Are
you aware of any instance in which ICANN's
jurisdiction affected any dispute resolution process
or litigation related to domain names?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
the answer is Yes, please describe specific cases or
incidents, including the date, the parties involved,
and links to any relevant documents.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Rodenbaugh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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LAW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:47 AM,
Mueller, Milton L <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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and I have agreed on the following draft:
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style="font-variant:small-caps">Request for
stakeholder input on jurisdiction issues</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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Jurisdiction subgroup of the CCWG Accountability
is asking for the community to provide factual
input on the following questions:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span
class="m6934914418304092671apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Has
your business, your privacy or your ability to
use or purchase DNS-related services, been
affected by ICANN's jurisdiction in any way?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:11.25pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
the answer is Yes, please describe specific
cases or incidents, including the date, the
parties involved, and links to any relevant
documents.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2.</span><span
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class="m6934914418304092671apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Has
ICANN's jurisdiction affected any dispute
resolution process or litigation related to
domain names you have been involved in?
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:11.25pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
the answer is Yes, please describe specific
cases or incidents, including the date, the
parties involved, and links to any relevant
documents.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Milton L. Mueller<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></p>
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Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></p>
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