<div dir="ltr"><div>Grec</div><div>All,</div><div>We need to add this text to the beginning of the revised text provided by David.</div><div>It is necessary that we explain to the outside world why we decided to raise these questions.</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-12-09 4:09 GMT+01:00 Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We worked on a scope document, but we were not able to resolve all aspects of the document, for reasons similar to the more recent discussion. At that point, we decided to work on identifying and responding to an issue that we could agree was within scope, which became the document "What is the influence of ICANN’s existing jurisdiction(s) relating to resolution of disputes (i.e., choice of law and venue) on the actual operation of ICANN’s policies and accountability mechanisms?" that we have been working on.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 8:53 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Didn’t we agree already on a document where we restated the scope of our work? I’m not sure whether memory fails me here…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>McAuley, David<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 07:32<br>
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<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Draft questions-preamble language.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I tried not to nudge respondents one way or the other but did want to create a very general introduction to the questions not unlike that the SO/AC Accountability group did in their similar questionnaire to SOs/ACs.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As many in this group may realize from my periodic interventions on list or on phone, I do want to stay within remit which I view more narrowly than some others. Nonetheless, I had hoped to be neutral in creating this
preamble and not reflect a particular view. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Given the views expressed so far I suggest that some alternative paragraphs be floated by those wishing a change and that way we can try to sort this so that we need not spend a great deal of time on it on the next call.
I say that, however, subject to the wishes of Greg and/or Vinay as to how to proceed on this preamble.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">David</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">David McAuley<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 08, 2016 6:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Draft questions-preamble language.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi All</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I do not agree to a partial quoting of the sub group's mandate in the preamble - -which appears to make it look like we are only concerned with where choice of law is available (private law) and
not where it is not available (public laws). Such approaches become kind of 'creeping acquisition' whereby the mandate keeps shifting towards one side, away from the other.
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Second, I will like to know the status of the consideration of that other question which was proposed about how existing legal/institutional frameworks impacted ICANN's policy and operational work.
<b><i>Can the co-chairs clarify please? </i></b></span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As argued often before, I do not agree to these 3 questions going out and not that other one. It should be one exercise, all of them together, or none of them. As they say 'in politics what we dont
do is a important s what we do'. There has been a lot of support for this other, 4th , question, and I think that support must also count for not sending just 3 questions out in absence of enough agreement about the 4th question. That at least is my position.
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">thanks, parminder </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Tuesday 06 December 2016 08:41 PM, McAuley, David wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Greg, Vinay and colleagues,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I volunteered to draft a proposed preface or preamble to the questions we may send out for comment.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">With thanks to Cheryl Langdon-Orr for sharing the subgroup on SO/AC Accountability preamble, please find attached a draft for our consideration.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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