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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #15</b> – 6 January 2017 will be available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/xaXDAw">https://community.icann.org/x/xaXDAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A copy of the notes may be found below. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Brenda Brewer <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN<b>
</b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (including relevant parts of chat):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Welcome</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Welcome. Changes to SOIs? None. JN audio only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Expected Standards of Behavior</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: (Review of standards of behaviour)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Fully support Greg. Quoting the CCWG-A Charter : All participants are expected to abide by the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior.The co-chairs are empowered to restrict the participation
of someone who seriously disrupts the working group. Generally, the participant should first be warned privately, and then warned publicly before such a restriction is put into place; in extreme circumstances, this requirement may be bypassed. This restriction
is subject to the right of appeal as outlined above.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): thanks Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">atthew shears: agree Greg - thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: Thank you Mathieu for pointing out that the co-chairs possess disciplinary powers for repeated violations of the Standards as well as for disruptive behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale Bakare: I am in strong support of the Standards of Behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3. Proposed Questionnaire:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> a. Possible Revisions to Preamble and Questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Review of Preamble - review of three options in document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">CW: Preamble: I have no strong opinion, except that the preamble should be SHORT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I have now reservations abut the questionnaire going out at all - given the discussions of the last few weeks has convinced me about this. We should stick to dispute resolution and
contracts - especially given the questionnaire is not very professional.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I agree with David. I assume the questionnaire will go out anyway, but I fully agree with what he said. Especially because I did with legal questionnaires and I know how hard it
is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: DM needs a glass of cold water but his statement does not help - we need to move forward with the questionnaire and decide on questions at this meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: I share David's concerns but am reserving judgment on whether the questionaire should be sent depending on how this meeting proceeds.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: While i do not agree with regard to the special problem with Q4, i totally agree on there being no aspect in which this is a professional questionnaire. Can support cancellation of the
questionnaire.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): +1 Phil - we must stick to facts and discard opinions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: agree focus on facts and data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I garee that all the problems come from the Q4 and that it makes the whole exercise vulnerable and out of the group mandate. Although I am not supporting the idea of the questionnaire
itself but I could have lived with 3 questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: I also do not think that Q4 is more an opinion question thatn 1-3 are. They all rely on opinion and perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: this group is already full of different opinions, we need facts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: The way we frame the question is NEVER going to prevent respondents to provide opinions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: + 1 Tatiana<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): I also think even 1-3 could simply yield opinion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: The preamble is the basis to decide if we are going to seek opinions can be subjected to a campaign of opinion loading throuhg an orchestrated response campaign. If we do go forward
with a questions we should only consider unique responses based on facts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Have attempted to do this in option 7.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Seun Ojedeji: Even though i have concern about the exercise we are about to get into but so long as we are focusing on facts, i don't think we should be concerned about question 4 any more. and
i actually think focusing on fact should be the same for all the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Coleagues, pls kindly do not use provocative terms in your statement like manipulating<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Milton. that is your and few others views<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: but at least when we ask for facts we can stick to facts when we got responses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: Agree that we cannot prevent opinions being submitted in response to any question, but we can agree in advance to discard any response that is not validated by facts and data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: It is emerging that the source of the problem is question 4. In response to DM I acknowledge his concern but this is not meant to be a professional survey - I repeat we need to disconnect
the first 3 questions from Q4. What is preventing us from doing this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale Bakare: The question 3 rely more on actual facts - experiences rather than opinions. We need to be focused on mechanisms of sourcing for data, as previously analysed by @Avri last week in the
mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: again, can live with 1-3. If the idea is to stick to factual analysis once we got answers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: we should be ready to discount inputs that are not substantiated with fact<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: @Phil -- agree, and furthermore we should consolidate responses so that we discard duplicates citing the very same facts and evidence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jean-Jacques Subrenat: In historical context - Jurisdiction issue goes back a long way. Support MM re surveys. Finally supportoption 7 on Q4.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: the fact that 1&2 only collect facts from a single perspective and not a global perspective. You need question 4 to gather facts from the broader perspective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Matthew, yes. This is the thing. And this shall be determined before the questionnaire is sent. That once the answers come back only those with factual substance would be analyzed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Matthew, that is the goal of this discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: @Steve--and I agree with your point<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Avri, yes, perhaps we need to discuss the broader perspective, as you know i support that. But the framing of the question is very controversial and it has stalled everything<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Christopher Wilkinson: Agree with MM on first 3 questions. We will end up with a version of q4 one way or another - but would agree it could be done separately. Do not agree about the risk of a
campaign. Jurisdiction thing in US is temporary. Do not agree that ICANN should incorporated in the US but this may take a long time - decades.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: David making two points which should be tken seperately - whether only choice of law (privae law) is in our mandate, and the more formal issue of whether q4 is properly worded to get
appropriate info. lets not mix the two very different things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: if indeed the mandate is under question - let us elave everything and first discuss and agree on it. It is truoblesome that we keep this keeps coming back - we cant work in ths manner.
So, pl lets be first clear about mandate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: just want to note that I am on the call and will be replacing Erika Mann as backup Board Liaison.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: next, when milton says there is no opposition to question 1-3 to go out. No, I oppose it. Bec without q 4, it puts a question on the nature of remit/ mandate of CCWG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman 2: on the other hand leaving the issue open will mean that we will be consistently having this debate and not be able to focus on the real substance of ICANN activities<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: agree Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale Bakare: +1, to Jeff. We would continually looping<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: (reading Parminder chat posting given audio issues).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I still think we would need to use a professional survey taker to get valid input.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Again, this is not survey research, we are not quantifying percentages, or sampling a target population<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: we are asking for facts or incidents<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Situation is quite confusing to me. There seems to be consensus that we need facts. We have agreed to disagree on the mandate of the group. Reminder we are working for the community
as agreed in WS1. There are significant expectations both internally and externally to ICANN and we cannot be seen to be trying to limit valid discussions. This is one of the first real tests of the post transition ICANN - we need facts to advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: +1 Mathieu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: Agree with Jeff, which is precisely why I advocated that, after spending two years and $14 million in legal fees to create an accountability structure that worked within the framework
of CA law, we should have resolved the issue in WS1. Unfortunately the decision was made to kick the can down the road -- now this subgroup should be the end of the road. If US corporate jurisdiction ever creates a major problem I have no doubt that the iCANN
community will recognize and address that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: so TT and DM we identified a wording problem in the first question and we fixed it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Phil, yes absolutely, *but* this decision shall be based on facts and not just on opinions what is good and what is bad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Can you identify any specific way in which the phrasing of the questions would not produce useful data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Honestly, I've never seen a survey, even tailored by professionals, that "containeed' people within a given scope. If they want to speak up, they will, and that is the multistakeholder
model isn't it ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: about 10 days ago the PC proposal for Q4 had great deal of support - we should work on this basis - we cannot drop Q4 and need to move forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Kavouss, it is clear that Q4 has strong support but it also has strong opposition. So we are proposing to separate it from the other questions, not to dump it - it needs more work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Mathieu, sure! The point is that to unsure which info one gets when the answers come back.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I agree to separate the Q4 and send it separately after fine tuning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I mean, I agree to disagree, I have concerns about questionnaire as a tool itself but I understand that we have to do something so I concur.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Dear Tidjani,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Why we should separate that???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Fair point Greg about not letting perfect be enemy of good – I am not convinced that good is at risk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Why we should separate that???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Fair point Greg about not letting perfect be enemy of good – I am not convinced that good is at risk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: I can not agree to separate Q4 from the three other Qs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Quality of survey should not be a major issue. We should use the remainder of our time to understand how to resolve Q4 issue. We need to work to resolve this by our next meeting. Any
comments on the preamble.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Pls kindly do not promote to separate Q4 from tother questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: @Kavouss, it is Greg, not Grec ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: It would be misinterpreted by the crecipiants<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Mathieu I think even Greg will agree that he is Grec now :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: Prefer alternative 2, can live with alt 1, but dont accept current text or alt 3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Preamble should precise and short and questions should be a max of 10 lines each. Make this as short as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Which version do you support?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: support the shortest version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: to answer Greg, I dot support alt 3 bec it quotes the mandate selectively<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: Prefer alt 1 -- shorter is better<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: Shorter and high level is best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: I prefer Alternative 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Alternative 1 for me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Alternative 1 too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): support alt 1, qualified by my remarks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Generally Speaking, people responding may not pay a lot of attention to Preamble<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: right, Kavouss<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: (survey on preamble) CW JJS opposed 6 in support.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">CW: Alternative 2 is OK if there are links to Final Report and Mandate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: i COULD AGREE WITH ALT 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: alt 1 is OK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: I had requested to add "implementation of policy" to alt i<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: alt 2 for me is best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: cAN YOU TRY aLT 1 AGAIN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Seun Ojedeji: why try again @Kavouss?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mary Uduma 2: Alt 1 for me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: The check count for Alt 1 was confusing. I deleted my green check before Greg did a final count :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Let's do another check of support for Alternative 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: Greg, you had added "policy impementation" to accountabiltiy at the end of para 2 of alt 1 - that option is not here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: Greg, you had added "policy impementation" to accountabiltiy at the end of para 2 of alt 1 - that option is not here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Seun Ojedeji: Seun: Alt 1 prefered for preamble<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: yes please put alt 1 for final check<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: I am fine with alt 1, but as Greg had amended on the elist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I support both! With or without addition. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Preamble Alt 1 with the added text is preferred and I will put it on the list for preparation of our nest meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: vERY GOOD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: it is done<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman 2: I need to see the full text befor making a determination<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Discussing Question 1. Option 1 and 2 re Domain Name vs DNS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Alt 1 now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">CW: Q1: maintain DNS. that includes the root and addresses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">CW: Q1 maintain Privacy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Will post alternative 1 to the list as a final recommendation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: I CAN NOT MANIPULATE CROSS COLOUR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jean-Jacques Subrenat: Greg, there was an audio cut, I missed some of your comments. I am against most alternatives, but am in favour of Alternative 7, the one you proposed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: we need to get to question 4 on our next call and I will post to the list on this. Good Call.Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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