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<p><font face="Verdana">Let me say <i><b>what actually is not clear
</b></i>in this exercise, which is getting a bit surreal.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">What is not clear is the <i><b>nature of,
or rather the purpose of, opposition to sending out question
4</b></i>. I will request Greg to put the finger where the
real non-clarity is. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">A lot of people say, their opposition to the
question is solely about how it worded that it being "inefficient"
in getting useful information. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Others, but often the same as making the
above objection, say, the opposition to the question is becuase
it takes us to areas way beyond our mandate. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">(Looking at the emails of just the last few
days, and the call transcripts, will testify to veracity of my
above formulation)</font></p>
<p>These two evidently are very different kinds of objections, and
normally should not logically be pursued at least by the same
person(s). And the problem is, when one tries to address one kind
of objection, it merely slips into the other kind, and then vice
versa, which is absolutely frustrating.</p>
<p>If the question is merely "inefficient", sending it out would not
really cause anyone any mortal harm, and one can agree to send it
out just because others - less intelligent and efficient beings -
badly want to. Why would we practically stop out work for more
than a month now -- a much larger inefficiency -- to deal with
this small inefficiency . This is absolutely beyond me. <br>
</p>
<p>Which brings us to the other objection -- which in my view is the
real one -- people say, this will take us to the territory of
people pointing to the problems with application of US public
laws, or general jurisdiction, over ICANN, and this they for some
reason fear, or simply think is beyond this sub group's mandate to
be taking about. <br>
</p>
<p>I said this during the call, and have been saying it, if there
indeed is a mandate confusion here, lets first sought that out. <br>
</p>
<p>To repeat, no, the problem is not with the clarity of the purpose
of the question, but with the purpose of opposition to it. I would
want the co-chairs to formulate this as the problem, rather than
the non problem of the purpose of q4 which is self evident in its
wording.</p>
<p>parminder <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 09 January 2017 11:21 AM,
Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CA+aOHUQiMwXteM6kEb-h7h0RJUjx0q8eo5=qhz-z+0umVTbuwg@mail.gmail.com"
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">All,</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Can we please refocus
on discussing the various alternatives for Question 4? </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We need to see if we
can arrive at a version of Question 4 that will get consensus
(as defined in the Charter) support of the subgroup. So far
we have not been able to do so, unlike Questions 1-3. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I am trying to allow
every opportunity to arrive at a version of Question 4 that
will get that level of support. That is why the process has
gone on as long as it has.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We will be looking to
complete this discussion on the call Tuesday at 13:00, in
advance of the next Plenary call on January 11 at 19:00. It
would be really good to make headway on the list before then. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think that an
underlying problem is that it is unclear what the purpose of
Question 4 is, or at least there is no common understanding of
the purpose of Question 4. If we can come to consensus on the
purpose, then the wording of the question itself will be much
easier. If we don't have a common understanding of what we're
trying to accomplish with Question 4, that will be a
significant impediment to arriving at a version of the
question that will get consensus support. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">So I suggest we also
try to arrive at a common understanding of what the purpose of
Question 4 is.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Greg
Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Kavouss,</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The scenario that
you mention relates to section (a) of the footnote ("(a)
ICANN being subject to U.S. and California law as a
result of its incorporation and location in California")
and not to (c) ("any “choice of law” or venue provisions
in agreements with ICANN").</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As for the issue
of Consensus, the definition of Consensus and of Full
Consensus are both set forth in the CCWG Charter:</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">a) Full Consensus - a
position where no minority disagrees; identified by an
absence of objection</div>
<div class="gmail_default">b) Consensus – a position
where a small minority disagrees, but most agree</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">This CCWG (like the
CCWG-IANA) operates on the basis of Consensus, as
defined above. This definition of Consensus is also
used in all of the GNSO Policy Development Working
Groups and has been used by the GNSO for many years,
regardless of the complexity or criticality of the
issues. </div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">We should be consistent with
the Charter and use the defined terms "Full Consensus"
and "Consensus," rather than the term "rough
consensus."</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Our decision-making method is
dictated by the Charter, which states that we shall
seek to act by consensus. While it is always nice to
achieve Full Consensus, it is not required under the
Charter.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Best regards,</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default">Greg</div>
</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 5:24
AM, Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div>Dear Greg,</div>
<div>Thank you very much for the time and
efforts that you have demonstrated so far .</div>
<div>The text in c said</div>
<div>Quote</div>
<span>
<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">any <font
color="#ff0000">“choice of law” or venue
provisions in agreements with ICANN. "</font></font></div>
</span>
<div>This does not cover the scenario is not
limited to the agreement with ICANN.</div>
<div>Please consult cases contained in the
hyperlink provided by Mathieu . In some cases
there is no direct link with ICANN Agreement.</div>
<div>If based on OFAC the case before the court
is to act upon a ccTLD .</div>
<div>I therefore suggest to add a qualifier to
the last four words ibn c) by ," as the case
may be and to add to ADD </div>
<div> d) <font face="Calibri" color="#ff0000"
size="3">“choice of law” or
venue of jurisdiction " </font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" color="#000000"
size="3">Then it may go .</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" color="#ff0000"
size="3"><font color="#000000">In reply to
John I disagree with his suggestion as he
said</font></font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" color="#ff0000"
size="3"><font color="#000000">Quote</font></font></div>
<span>
<div><font face="Calibri" color="#ff0000"
size="3"><font color="#000000"><span></span></font><span><span
style="font-family:"calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">"There
seems to be rough consensus with a few
vocal dissenters. No problem. We issue
a majority and a minority report
expressing the broad consensus of the
ws2 jurisdiction wg while noting the
objections"</span></span></font></div>
</span>
<div><font face="Calibri" color="#ff0000"
size="3"><span><span
style="font-family:"calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><font
color="#000000">Unquote</font></span></span></font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" color="#ff0000"
size="3"><span><span
style="font-family:"calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><font
color="#000000">As this is the most
critical and delicate issue we need to
have full consensus and NOT SO-CALLED
rough consensus .</font></span></span></font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" color="#ff0000"
size="3"><span><span
style="font-family:"calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><font
color="#000000">Rough consensus mainly
introduced by IETF many years ago for
other more technical and more simple
cases.</font></span></span></font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" color="#ff0000"
size="3"><span><span
style="font-family:"calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><font
color="#000000">Moreover, there is no
universal agreement on the définition
of .SO-CALLED rough consensus <span></span></font></span></span></font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" color="#ff0000"
size="3"><span><span
style="font-family:"calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><font
color="#000000"><span><br>
</span></font></span></span></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-08 8:41
GMT+01:00 John Laprise <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com">jlaprise@gmail.com</a></a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
name="m_5236446661693295431_m_-8103383223752678616_m_-4527581076607665668__MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Oops</span></a><span><span
style="font-size:11pt">…</span></span><span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">my
mistake. Thanks Greg!</span></span></p>
<span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-US">Best regards, </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;font-size:16pt"
lang="EN-US">John Laprise,
Ph.D.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-US">Consulting
Scholar</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span></span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/"
target="_blank"><span><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193);font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jpl">http://www.linkedin.com/in/jpl</a><wbr>aprise/</span></span><span></span></a><span><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-US"></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></span></p>
<span></span></span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US"> Greg Shatan
[mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.co">gregshatanipc@gmail.co</a><wbr>m</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 8,
2017 1:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Laprise <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com">jlaprise@gmail.com</a></a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kavouss Arasteh <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a></a>>;
Phil Corwin <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a></a>>;
ws2-jurisdiction <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a></a>>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr"
target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>;
Thomas Rickert <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de">rickert@anwaelte.de</a></a>>;
León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a></a>></span></p>
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<div
class="m_5236446661693295431m_-8103383223752678616h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Ws2-jurisdiction] Jurisdiction
Questionnaire: RESPONSE
REQUESTED</div>
</div>
<div>
<div
class="m_5236446661693295431m_-8103383223752678616h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We
are only discussing a
questionnaire here, not
the conclusions of the
subgroup. Let us not
jump to conclusions.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun,
Jan 8, 2017 at 2:37 AM,
John Laprise <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com">jlaprise@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:</p>
<blockquote
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
name="m_5236446661693295431_m_-8103383223752678616_m_-4527581076607665668_m_5201408456809985411__MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">There
<u>is</u> mutual
understanding;
just not mutual
agreement. There</span></a><span></span><span
style="font-size:11pt">’</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">s
a difference.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">There
seems to be rough
consensus with a
few vocal
dissenters. No
problem. We issue
a majority and a
minority report
expressing the
broad consensus of
the ws2
jurisdiction wg
while noting the
objections. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-US">Best
regards, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;font-size:16pt"
lang="EN-US">John
Laprise, Ph.D.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-US">Consulting
Scholar</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193);font-family:"Garamond",serif"
lang="EN-US"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jpl">http://www.linkedin.com/in/jpl</a><wbr>aprise/</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a>
[mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounc<wbr><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:es@icann.org">es@icann.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kavouss
Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, January
7, 2017 6:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phil
Corwin <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a></a>>;
ws2-jurisdiction
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a></a>>;
Greg Shatan <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a></a>>;
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a></a>;
Thomas Rickert
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de">rickert@anwaelte.de</a></a>>;
León Felipe
Sánchez Ambía <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a></a>></span></p>
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<p
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Ws2-jurisdiction]
Jurisdiction
Questionnaire:
RESPONSE
REQUESTED</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Dear
All,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">It
is midnight
here. This
discussion
will lead to
nowhere .There
is no mutual
understanding.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Every
one pushes for
its own views.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">There
is no common
points to
discuss.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">We
should drop
the entire
agenda.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Refer
the matter
back to CCWG.
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">A
STRONG
OPPOSITION to
discuss a
choice of
juridiction
then we
discuss this
matter.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">There
is no fair
basis for
discussion</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Look
at those
commenting'
who they are .</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Parminder,
occasionally
Pedro Kavouss
and the rest
are coming
from
opposition
camp</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">This
is not .It is
not dividing .
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">THIS
DISCUSSION
WILL GET
NOQWHERE
untill and
unless there
is a mutual
understanding.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">But
one camp does
not wish to
consider the
problem of
other camp.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">People
going from
right to left
from up to
down but
confusing
others.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">The
issue is
clear.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Why
we are obliged
to accept the
CA OR FERDERAL
JURISDICTION>?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Regards</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Kavouss
</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">2017-01-08
0:52 GMT+01:00
Kavouss
Arasteh <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a></a>>:</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Dear
Phil,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Yes
I agree with
you on that
but the way
the statement
is formulated
push the
people to
reach the same
conclusions as
you reached.
Since ICANN IS
IN CA then
there is not
any
possibility to
agree on a
choice of
another
jurisdiction.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">This
is the
question</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">I
believe that
the parties
must be given
a choice to
opt for
another
jurisdiction
if mutually
agreed.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Your
views is fully
respected as
it express
your
association,
affiliation
and
patriotisme
but others
have different
views.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Tell
me if in a
case of
dispute why
two parties
can not opt 7
choice for a
diffèrent
jurisdiction
than that of
US.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Please
kindly
understand the
concerns of
others .</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Pls
kindly do not
push for
status quo.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> WHY
one should be
obliged to
accept the CA
OR FEDERAL
LAW. WHY THEY
SHOULD BE
DEPROVED from
agreeing on
diffèrent
juridiction
say Swiss law
.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">I
am not looking
for any
confrontation
with you or
people in your
camp but I
wish to
establish a
balance
situation and
fair treatment</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Regards</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Kavouss </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">2017-01-08
0:44 GMT+01:00
Kavouss
Arasteh <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a></a>>:</p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Dear
Phil,</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Yes
I agree with
you on that
but the way
the statement
is formulated
push the
people to
reach the same
conclusions as
you reached.
Since ICANN IS
IN CA then
there is not
any
possibility to
agree on a
choice of
another
jurisdiction.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">This
is the
question</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">I
believe that
the parties
must be given
a choice to
opt for
another
jurisdiction
if mutually
agreed.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">a </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">2017-01-08
0:32 GMT+01:00
Phil Corwin
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a></a>>:</p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US">Which
question do
you believe
would give
more the more
useful data:</span></p>
<p
class="m_5236446661693295431m_-8103383223752678616m_-4527581076607665668m5201408456809985411m8751572180057347175m-2139499583493423533m-6449733055142087634msolistparagraph"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US">1.</span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:7pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US">Describe
(name of
individual)’s
most endearing
and most
irritating
qualities?, or</span></p>
<p
class="m_5236446661693295431m_-8103383223752678616m_-4527581076607665668m5201408456809985411m8751572180057347175m-2139499583493423533m-6449733055142087634msolistparagraph"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US">2.</span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:7pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US">Describe
(name of
individual)’s
most
irritating
qualities?</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US">The
first yields a
far more
comprehensive
and balanced
response. So
does asking
about both
advantages and
disadvantages
of
jurisdiction.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:navy;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US">Philip
S. Corwin,
Founding
Principal</span></b></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:navy;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US">Virtualaw
LLC</span></b></p>
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class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:navy;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US">1155
F Street, NW</span></b></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:navy;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US">Suite
1050</span></b></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:navy;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US">Washington,
DC 20004</span></b></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:navy;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%28202%29%20559-8597" target="_blank">202-559-8597</a>/Direct</span></b></p>
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lang="EN-US"><a
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<p
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lang="EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%28202%29%20255-6172" target="_blank">202-255-6172</a>/Cell</span></b></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:navy;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></b></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:navy;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US">Twitter:
@VlawDC</span></b></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="color:navy;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US">"Luck
is the residue
of design" --
Branch Rickey</span></i></b></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;font-size:10pt"
lang="EN-US">
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a>
[mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounc<wbr><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:es@icann.org">es@icann.org</a></a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Seun
Ojedeji<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Saturday,
January 07,
2017 4:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Cc:</b>
ws2-jurisdiction<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Ws2-jurisdiction]
Jurisdiction
Questionnaire:
RESPONSE
REQUESTED</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Edit:
"...I note
that
*Phil*...."
not Paul </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">Cheers!</span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Sent
from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse
brevity and
typos</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">On
7 Jan 2017
9:59 p.m.,
"Seun Ojedeji"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US">Hello
Greg,</span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US">Thanks
for the
follow-up, my
reasons are
quite simple:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US">1.
The goal is to
find out if
there are
indeed valid
problems.
Hence the
question
should be
framed as such</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US">2.
Since this is
not an
exercise of
"advantages vs
disadvantages", asking for advantages now will not be as useful as
knowing the
disadvantages,
confirming
they are
indeed valid
problems and
then we
criticise
those problems
(including
stating
possible
advantages we
will loose if
we needed to
solve the
problem
identifed). </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US">3.
We just cannot
exhaust the
advantages via
this question
and if the
responses we
get is what we
will be basing
our
discussions on
then we should
not start this
process on a
competitive
grounds.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US">4.
It is not
clear what
exactly we
intend to use
the advantages
for at this
initial stage
but it's clear
why we are
asking for
disadvantages.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-US">For
clarity this
is not a
redline for me
and I will be
fine if the
group does not
accept the
suggestion so
long as
adequate
reason is
provided (I
note Paul
opposes, will
be good to
read reasons).
Irrespective
of the group's
decision, it
should be
clear that the
volume of
advantages vis
disadvantages
would not
matter but the
substance of
the responses
will be most
important.
Hence I hope
we will
address each
of the
problems
identified
adequately
(including
addressing
them with
points that
may exceed
those in the
responses).</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Regards</span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Sent
from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse
brevity and
typos</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">On
7 Jan 2017
8:10 p.m.,
"Greg Shatan"
<<a
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href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Seun,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Why do
you suggest
removing
"advantages"?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Greg</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">On
Sat, Jan 7,
2017 at 1:41
PM, Seun
Ojedeji <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Hello
Greg, </span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Thanks
for sending in
this summary.
I think the
suggestion
about removing
"advantages"
will be
applicable to
any of the
question 4
alternatives.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">For
instance I
prefer
"alternative
1" without
including
advantages. So
I suggest
modifying text
of
"alternative
6" to the
following:</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">"Remove
advantages
from any
alternative
that gains
more traction"</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">In
that case, I
will choose
alternative
1+6</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US">Regards</span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Sent
from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse
brevity and
typos</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">On
7 Jan 2017
7:23 p.m.,
"Greg Shatan"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a></a>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">All,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">We made
some good
progress on
our call on
Friday,
January 6.
Following a
wide-ranging
discussion, we
were able to
make some
headway on
refining the
draft
questionnaire.
I encourage
those who
missed the
call to review
the recording
and notes. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">Specifically,
we came to a
preliminary
conclusion on
revising the
Preamble and
Question 1,
subject to
comment on
this list and
a final
discussion on
our next call
(Tuesday,
January 10 at
13:00).
Question 2 had
no revisions
suggested, and
Question 3 had
only one
revision
suggested.</span></p>
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Preamble and
Questions 1, 2
and 3 (with
the proposed
revision in
"track
changes") are
in the first
document below
(Word and PDF
documents) and
also in text
below. <b>Please
review this
version of the
Preamble and
Questions 1-3
and provide
support (or
lack of
support)
and/or
comments for
this portion.</b></span></p>
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discussed
several
aspects of
Question 4,
including the
purpose of the
question;
whether the
question is
different in
nature from
Questions 1-3;
whether or not
the question
should be
included in
this
questionnaire,
a subsequent
questionnaire
or not at all;
the types of
responses
desired (and
the types
expected); and
the drafting
of the
question
itself. With
these topics
and seven
drafting
alternatives
(and the
ability to
pick and
choose
elements of
those
alternatives),
this required
more time than
we had left on
the call.
Therefore, we
did not come
to any
preliminary
conclusions on
Question 4. </span></p>
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drafting
alternatives
for Question 4
(including the
current
version) are
in the second
draft document
(Word and
PDF). Please
look at the
alternatives
carefully,
particularly
if you have
not supported
sending
question 4 in
its current
form. <b> Please
review the
options for
Question 4 and
respond,
indicating (a)
Which
version(s) of
Question 4 you
could support
and which you
would object
to, and (b) If
the answer to
(a) is "none,"
how you would
change or
combine one or
more
alternatives
in order to
support it.</b></span></p>
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conclude this
discussion on
our call of
January 10, so
please provide
your thoughts
and responses
before then.
Thank you.</span></p>
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OF PREAMBLE
AND QUESTIONS
1-3 FOR REVIEW</span></b></p>
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lang="EN-US">PREAMBLE</span></b></p>
<p
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style="margin-bottom:6pt"><span
style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">The
newly-adopted
ICANN bylaws
created
several Work
Stream 2
accountability
subgroups. One
of them, the
subgroup on
Jurisdiction,
is posing the
questions
below for
community
input into the
subgroup’s
deliberations.</span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:6pt"><span
style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">As
directed by <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#article27"
target="_blank">Bylaw Article 27, Section 27.1(b)(vi)</a> and to the
extent set
forth in the
CCWG-Accountability
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=58723827&preview=/58723827/58726532/Main%20Report%20-%20FINAL-Revised.pdf"
target="_blank">Final Report</a>,<span
class="m_5236446661693295431m_-8103383223752678616m_-4527581076607665668m5201408456809985411m8751572180057347175m-2139499583493423533m-6449733055142087634m-3078467397691473128m8308905419583524387m-8124119481991259371m-5059350889358669849gmail-msofootnotereference">[1]</span>
the
Jurisdiction
subgroup is
addressing
jurisdiction*-related
questions,
including how
choice of
jurisdiction
and applicable
laws for
dispute
settlement
impact ICANN's
accountability
and the actual
operation of
policies.</span></p>
<p
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style="margin-bottom:6pt"><span
style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">To
help the
subgroup in
these
endeavors we
are asking you
to consider
and respond to
the following
specific
questions. In
this regard,
the subgroup
is asking for
concrete,
factual
submissions
(positive,
negative, or
neutral) that
will help
ensure that
the subgroup’s
deliberations
are informed,
fact-based,
and address
real issues.
The subgroup
is interested
in all types
of
jurisdiction-related
factual
experiences,
not just those
involving
actual
disputes/court
cases.</span></p>
<p
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style="margin-bottom:6pt"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">QUESTION
1</span></b></p>
<p
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style="margin-bottom:6pt"><span
style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Has
your business,
your privacy
or your
ability to use
or purchase
domain
name-related
services been
affected by
ICANN's
jurisdiction*
in any way?</span></p>
<p
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style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">If
the answer is
Yes, please
describe
specific
cases,
situations or
incidents,
including the
date, the
parties
involved, and
links to any
relevant
documents.
Please note
that
“affected” may
refer to
positive
and/or
negative
effects.</span></p>
<p
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style="margin-bottom:6pt"><b><span
style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">QUESTION
2</span></b></p>
<p
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style="margin-bottom:6pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Has
ICANN's
jurisdiction*
affected any
dispute
resolution
process or
litigation
related to
domain names
you have been
involved in?</span></p>
<p
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-US">If the
answer is Yes,
please
describe
specific
cases,
situations or
incidents,
including the
date, the
parties
involved, and
links to any
relevant
documents.
Please note
that
“affected” may
refer to
positive
and/or
negative
effects.</span></p>
<p
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style="margin-bottom:6pt"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">QUESTION
3</span></b></p>
<p
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style="margin-bottom:6pt"><span
style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Do
you have
copies of
and/or links
to any
verifiable
reports of
experiences of
other parties
that would be
responsive to
the questions
above?</span></p>
<p
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style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">If
the answer is
yes, please
provide these
copies and/or
links.<span
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datetime="2017-01-06T13:38"> </ins></span></span></span><span
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class="m_5236446661693295431m_-8103383223752678616m_-4527581076607665668msoIns"><ins
datetime="2017-01-06T13:38"> Please provide either first-person accounts
or reliable
third-party
accounts such
as news
reports;
please do not
provide your
own version of
events.</ins></span></span></span></p>
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<p
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name="m_5236446661693295431_m_-8103383223752678616_m_-4527581076607665668_m_5201408456809985411_m_8751572180057347"><span
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lang="EN-US">[1]</span></span></a><span></span><span
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lang="EN-US">
<u>See</u>
CCWG-Accountability
Main Report,
paragraphs 6
and 234, and
Annex 12,
paragraphs
25-31.</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">*
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11pt"
lang="EN-US">For
this
Questionnaire,
“ICANN’s
jurisdiction”
refers to (a)
ICANN being
subject to
U.S. and
California law
as a result of
its
incorporation
and location
in California,
(b) ICANN
being subject
to the laws of
any other
country as a
result of its
location
within or
contacts with
that country,
or (c) any
“choice of
law” or venue
provisions in
agreements
with ICANN. </span></p>
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