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On Sunday 19 February 2017 11:37 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>The travel bans make the simple but clear point that a
nation will use its legal machinery for all purposes that it
considers being in national interest, no matter if that
rides roughshod over the interests of people from other
countries. The many lessons from this for the issue of ICANN
being under US jurisdiction are rather obvious....
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">MM reply: It is obvious that your use of
the indefinite article is correct: “a nation will use…” </span></p>
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So, we agree here that US government can very plausibly be expected
to use all existing or possible new laws, within its constitutional
competence to make, to direct ICANN (aka interference with ICANN's
policy processes) as its sees to be in US's national interest, which
we all know cannot be supposed to fully conflate with global public
interest.<br>
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BTW, do see the recent order of Trump administration which expressly
says "<span style="font-size:11.0pt"> “Agencies shall, to the extent
consistent with applicable law, ensure that their privacy policies
<i><b>exclude </b></i>persons who are not United States citizens
or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy
Act regarding personally identifiable information.”
(emphasis added)<br>
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Now, I know most national laws afford protection only to citizens
but insisting on specifically excluding protections to non
citizens looks like a overkill, but its the US gov's privilege, as
we have been discussing.<br>
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In the circumstance, since this position , that US state can very
plausibly interfere with ICANN's policy implementation,</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> can a priori be established, </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> we really do not need that questionnaire
and its responses, (which has deliberately been specifically
rigged to exclude such extremely justified a priori
considerations) to work on solutions against such expected
eventualities. Does this not logically follow from your agreement
with my "indefinite article"? <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">That is, ANY nation will or might use. So
moving jurisdiction out of the US does not change this
problem in the slightest. Indeed, it could make it worse, as
I can offhand think of 8-10 nations that would make it
worse. I think this is the point you keep missing.</span></p>
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My deal Milton, I do not miss this point. I have never, and I have
insisted on this point several times on this elist, asked for ICANN
jurisdiction to be moved to another country from the US. I would
consider any such demand to be disrespectful of the US, as much as I
consider present ICANN's jurisdictional status to be disrespectful
of all non US nations. Dont know why not just you but many others
keep missing this point again and again. <br>
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I have asked for immunity and/or shift to international law. In both
these cases no nation will be able to use its legal system to
unilaterally assert its own national interest over ICANN's working.
I hope I make my position clear.<br>
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best, parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dr. Milton L. Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Professor, School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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