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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 03 April 2017 07:57 PM, Paul
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would you say that Seun – it is what the lawyers for ICANN
argued, but there is no evidence that the Canadian court
agree to that submission. I would expect ICANN’s lawyers to
make that argument and I would also expect based on what
little I know of Canadian law that in the end the court
would have rejected the argument. </span></p>
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It is absolutely significant that<br>
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(1) In the only documented case which went before a non US court,
ICANN promptly contested the court's jurisdiction. This is fact was
its primary argument as far as I can see from the case details.<br>
<br>
(2) In none of more than 20 other documents cases, all in US courts,
ICANN ever contested -- in the slightest -- the court's
jurisdiction over ICANN or the matter under consideration. <br>
<br>
It clearly shows that everyone -- ICANN, US courts, in fact even
all of us -- know what is what vis a vis the absolute
jurisdictional powers of US over ICANN, and thus over its policies
and their implementation, and very feeble jurisdictional leeway (and
even lesser enforcement capacity) that non US courts and other state
agencies have over ICANN. <br>
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We are simply wasting out time trying to minutely examine facts that
are fairly well established and normally not contested. <br>
<br>
As you agreed with me in a way, lets come to the crux of the matter,
and see what is this group really trying to do, what progress we are
making or not making, what is the prognosis of possible outcomes,
and so on....<br>
<br>
IMHO we are just making ourselves believe that we are doing
something in this group, when in fact we are not doing anything at
all. <br>
<br>
<i><b>Sub-group chairs,</b></i><br>
<br>
Kavouss had put the matter to the CCWG chairs of the email I wrote
about the non progress of this groups work. CCWG chair seem to have
ordered the matter to be addressed by the sub group. Are you going
to take up that matter?<br>
<br>
Also note that Paul too agreed with me that we seem not to be going
anywhere (or some such, I do not want to put words in his mouth, his
email of a few days back may be read)<br>
<br>
Thanks, parminder <br>
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+1 (202) 547-0660<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 3, 2017 9:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mathieu Weill <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr"><mathieu.weill@afnic.fr></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ws2-jurisdiction
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Pool.com case summary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks a
lot for sharing this Mathieu, I guess this removes any
claims that the experience would be the same if ICANN were
sued outside of her jurisdiction of incorporation. The
following text makes that quite clear:<br>
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"Defendant ICANN asserted that the Court lacked
jurisdiction because (quoting the argument):<br>
ICANN is not resident in Ontario<br>
The Action has no real or substantial connection to
Ontario<br>
Virtually all the evidence and witnesses are in
California"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am not a
lawyer but perhaps it may be good to know how flexible it
is for non-US customer of ICANN to legally
engage/challenge ICANN in her place of incorporation. The
impact of this on US-banned countries may also be a good
to know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Mathieu
Weill <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>
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lang="FR">Dear Colleagues, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="FR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Here
is another summary form for the Pool.com vs ICANN
case. It’s an interesting case because it was the
only one documented as submitted in front of a
non-US court. However it was settled before it
reached the decision stage. <span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#888888" lang="FR">-- <br>
***************************** <br>
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Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>
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another down does not take you up - think
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