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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 06 April 2017 10:20 PM,
Paul Rosenzweig wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Sorry
Paraminder – but just saying it is absurd doesn’t change the
facts. The only way in which US jurisdiction has a superior
claim is with respect to the law of jurisdictional
organization. In other words, California corporate law
governs ICANN’s bylaws formulation and Board and corporate
operations preferentially. <br>
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Paul, <br>
<br>
What do you make of the following passage from the gTLD handbook of
ICANN?<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif">ICANN
must comply with all U.S. laws, rules, and regulations. One
such set
of regulations is the economic and trade sanctions program
administered by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) of
the
U.S. Department of the Treasury. These sanctions have been
imposed on
certain countries, as well as individuals and entities that
appear on
OFAC's List of Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked
Persons
(the SDN List). ICANN is prohibited from providing most goods
or
services to residents of sanctioned countries or their
governmental
entities or to SDNs without an applicable U.S. government
authorization or exemption. ICANN generally will not seek a
license
to provide goods or services to an individual or entity on the
SDN
List. In the past, when ICANN has been requested to provide
services
to individuals or entities that are not SDNs, but are
residents of
sanctioned countries, ICANN has sought and been granted
licenses as
required. In any given case, however, OFAC could decide not to
issue
a requested license. </font>
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ENDS<br>
<br>
Which other jurisdiction other than the US has these privileges? I
really hope this spread of disinformation can be terminated here.
This is dangerously tending towards post truth and "alternative
facts". <br>
<br>
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But any place that ICANN does business is a potential place
to sue on contract, or tort basis.</span></p>
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<br>
Yes, you can sue ICANN, but to what effect is what matters. I have
referred you to how in almost all cases ICANN refuses "substantial
contacts" outside California, US. You should take a look at the
difficulties Indian courts have had to mind Google, Facebook,
Whatsapp, etc, even when, unlike ICANN, these corporations cannot
wash off their hands from "substantial contacts" in India, for it is
from these contacts that they make their money - the advertisement
revenue. Unlike them, ICANN would simply say, the courts can do what
they may, if they want to disrupt registrar's business, it is upto
them, but ICANN isnt going to change its policies for them. This
cannot be said to US courts, because US courts can even close down
ICANN .... <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">As
for why not move to India – I have tried very hard not to
reduce this to a comparison of the value and functioning of
judicial systems. I don’t propose to start now.</span></p>
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<br>
But if superiority of US jurisdiction forms a good part of your
logic to retain current jurisdictional status, you must mention it
in this discussion on ICANN's jurisdiction. BTW, as I have often
said, I do not ever propose that ICANN be incorporated in another
country because that will is disrespectful to the US... Unlike you,
I really respect all country jurisdictions and polities, in an
international discussion. An insistence of keeping ICANN under US
jurisdiction, and not even accepting possibility of customised
immunity from US jurisdiction is indeed disrespectful to all other
countries, and to the value of democracy itself..<br>
<br>
And of course - I must respectfully make this political point -- I
am indeed quite disappointed by the GAC members who are supposed to
protect their country's and its citizens' sovereignty and right to
be self-determination, but who, in the present context, seem to have
little inclination to make that case... They must have their
constraints, only that I am unable to see or understand them. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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parminder [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">mailto:parminder@itforchange.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 5, 2017 11:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Rosenzweig
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com"><paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com></a>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Pool.com case
summary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wednesday 05 April 2017 10:19 PM, Paul
Rosenzweig wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">And
as we have said before, ICANN cannot escape US
jurisdiction by moving its headquarters. US law will
assert jurisdiction so long as ICANN has “substantial
contacts” with the US. The same is true of UK, Germany,
Canada, Australia and I believe India … </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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We have been over this many times, but I simply cannot let
pass this absurd proposition that India, for instance, has a
comparable jurisdictional leverage over ICANN to US. I do not
know why, even as a lawyer, you keep on making it.<br>
<br>
And if indeed it was so, why not then lets have ICANN be moved
to India or Switzerland.. US can still keep exercising its
jurisdiction over ICANN, as you argue it will be able to, and
all others can be happy too! <br>
<br>
Meanwhile, it is not just the matter of a court exercising
jurisdiction, but even more importantly of having leverage to
enforce its writ.... <br>
<br>
As to the "substantial contacts" argument, if you go through
the various court cases involving ICANN, you will see that
wherever possible ICANN has denied "substantial contacts" is
all places other than California, US, arguing that its role
in the DNS stops with making a contract with a registry, which
contract is deemed to have been made in California and is
subject to its laws. Rest, downstream in the DNS, is none of
ICANN's business...<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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again, this is wrong.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 5, 2017 5:58 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Pool.com case
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<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Although
I do see that in some other cases ICANN did contest the
jurisdiction over certain of its acts of different states
in the US, claiming that California jurisdiction should
apply. But the main point of discussion here is about
larger application of US jurisdiction over ICANN vis a vis
that of other countries. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">parminder
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wednesday 05 April 2017 12:56 PM,
parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tuesday 04 April 2017 08:32 PM,
Paul Rosenzweig wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Statement
#2 below is incorrect. I haven’t reviewed them all
but at a minimum ICANN contested jurisdiction in
Arizona v. ICANN, the law suit filed by the states to
attempt to stop the transition.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
For my statement # 2 to be incorrect, ICANN should have
challenged application of US court jurisdiction in the
Arizona case -- In fact there is no Arizona v. ICANN case
that I can find. I can only find an Arizona v. NTIA
case..... I cant see ICANN to be a party to it, neither
has it filed a response. Will you please show me where
ICANN challenges US court jurisdiction in this case?
Thanks. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Pool.com
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Monday 03 April 2017 07:57 PM,
Paul Rosenzweig wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Why
would you say that Seun – it is what the lawyers for
ICANN argued, but there is no evidence that the
Canadian court agree to that submission. I would
expect ICANN’s lawyers to make that argument and I
would also expect based on what little I know of
Canadian law that in the end the court would have
rejected the argument. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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It is absolutely significant that<br>
<br>
(1) In the only documented case which went before a non
US court, ICANN promptly contested the court's
jurisdiction. This is fact was its primary argument as
far as I can see from the case details.<br>
<br>
(2) In none of more than 20 other documents cases, all
in US courts, ICANN ever contested -- in the slightest
-- the court's jurisdiction over ICANN or the matter
under consideration. <br>
<br>
It clearly shows that everyone -- ICANN, US courts, in
fact even all of us -- know what is what vis a vis the
absolute jurisdictional powers of US over ICANN, and
thus over its policies and their implementation, and
very feeble jurisdictional leeway (and even lesser
enforcement capacity) that non US courts and other state
agencies have over ICANN. <br>
<br>
We are simply wasting out time trying to minutely
examine facts that are fairly well established and
normally not contested. <br>
<br>
As you agreed with me in a way, lets come to the crux of
the matter, and see what is this group really trying to
do, what progress we are making or not making, what is
the prognosis of possible outcomes, and so on....<br>
<br>
IMHO we are just making ourselves believe that we are
doing something in this group, when in fact we are not
doing anything at all. <br>
<br>
<b><i>Sub-group chairs,</i></b><br>
<br>
Kavouss had put the matter to the CCWG chairs of the
email I wrote about the non progress of this groups
work. CCWG chair seem to have ordered the matter to be
addressed by the sub group. Are you going to take up
that matter?<br>
<br>
Also note that Paul too agreed with me that we seem not
to be going anywhere (or some such, I do not want to put
words in his mouth, his email of a few days back may be
read)<br>
<br>
Thanks, parminder <br>
<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul
Rosenzweig</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com"><span
style="color:#0563C1">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">O:
+1 (202) 547-0660</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">M:
+1 (202) 329-9650</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">VOIP:
+1 (202) 738-1739</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">My
PGP Key: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684"><span
style="color:#0563C1">https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 3, 2017 9:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mathieu Weill <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr"><mathieu.weill@afnic.fr></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ws2-jurisdiction <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org"><ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Pool.com case
summary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks
a lot for sharing this Mathieu, I guess this
removes any claims that the experience would be
the same if ICANN were sued outside of her
jurisdiction of incorporation. The following text
makes that quite clear:<br>
<br>
"Defendant ICANN asserted that the Court lacked
jurisdiction because (quoting the argument):<br>
ICANN is not resident in Ontario<br>
The Action has no real or substantial connection
to Ontario<br>
Virtually all the evidence and witnesses are in
California"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
am not a lawyer but perhaps it may be good to know
how flexible it is for non-US customer of ICANN to
legally engage/challenge ICANN in her place of
incorporation. The impact of this on US-banned
countries may also be a good to know.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 2:29 PM,
Mathieu Weill <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr"
target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="FR">Dear Colleagues, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="FR"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Here
is another summary form for the Pool.com vs
ICANN case. It’s an interesting case
because it was the only one documented as
submitted in front of a non-US court.
However it was settled before it reached the
decision stage. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:#888888"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#888888" lang="FR">-- <br>
***************************** <br>
Mathieu WEILL <br>
AFNIC - directeur général <br>
Tél: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:+33%201%2039%2030%2083%2006"
target="_blank">+33 1 39 30 83 06</a> <br>
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href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr"
target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>
<br>
Twitter : @mathieuweill <br>
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style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#006600">Seun
Ojedeji,<br>
Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>
web: </span></i><i><span
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another down does not take you up
- think about your action!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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