<div dir="auto"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 12, 2017 8:55 AM, "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Here is the sheet with the documented issues: </div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zAMj3Oz8TEqbjauOyqt09Ef-1ada9TrC7i60Mk-7al4/edit#gid=0" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>spreadsheets/d/<wbr>1zAMj3Oz8TEqbjauOyqt09Ef-<wbr>1ada9TrC7i60Mk-7al4/edit#gid=0</a></font></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">SO: Thanks and this is one of the issues gathering exercise that I recall had been done. So again my question to Greg still stand. Is he asking for new set of issues? If yes, does it mean the ones referenced above have all been addressed? </div><div dir="auto">If no, why can't the ones identified above be discussed and be done with.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">It took me 10 seconds to find it. </div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">SO: I guess that somewhat applies to Greg as well, especially as it's not clear what set of issues he is calling for when the outcome/decision/direction of the ones already listed has not been provided.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think it may have helped to read something in the line of ".... Having addressed all the issues raised, if there are any other issues let us know....."</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Here is the page where all the docs are displayed: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Jurisdiction" target="_blank">https://community.<wbr>icann.org/display/WEIA/<wbr>Jurisdiction</a></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">There is no need to contact the chair to find documents.</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">SO: At times it's good to ask those questions in other to remind the Chair of the effort that has been made previously and to also get clarification.</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"> </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">I look forward to more substantive discussions on actual issues. </div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">+1 and I thought some issues have already been documented and discussion should just be kicked off on them. Why call for issues again when the current ones are still pending? Or is it that I am way behind on this hence missing[1] something in Greg's mail. I'd like clarification if that were the case.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">1. That is possible as my participation in calls has been somewhat low due to recent lack of volunteer time but do follow mails and don't think I have seen anything suggesting previous issues raised have been brought to conclusion.(apologies if am wrong).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-6321784271530152255gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div></font><div class="elided-text">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:20 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="auto">If I recall correctly there was a call to log
issues twice now. Can you provide the URL where the issues are
documented for people to pick from OR are you suggesting to
hit another reset and start logging issues again?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Regards<br>
PS: I hope I will get a response this time as I don't get
response from you including when I even write you privately to
remind you of my question.<br>
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</span><p><font face="Verdana">To add to this, I asked for the original
issues doc twice, and quite pointedly the second time in a
separate email, to which Jorge responded also asking for it, and
reminding that he too had asked for it earlier once. </font></p>
<p>This is the most extra-ordinary chair-ship of a working group
that I have ever witnessed! Why dont we just get told what report
we have to sign off on and close the matters.</p><span class="m_-6321784271530152255HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p>parminder<br>
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<<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Jurisdiction
Subgroup Members,</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">As
explained by Staff at our last meeting on 9 August,
we have until <span class="m_-6321784271530152255m_-4885749884167093590m_4386655363268652055gmail-aBn"><span class="m_-6321784271530152255m_-4885749884167093590m_4386655363268652055gmail-aQJ"><b>11
October</b></span></span> to submit a draft
set of recommendations to the Plenary for
consideration as a first reading if any such
recommendations are to be accepted by the Plenary,
published for Public Consultation and included in
the Final WS2 Report.</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">In
other words, we have about <b>8 weeks</b> to develop
a draft set of recommendations and come to consensus
on these.</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Obviously,
given this time-frame, we have to accept that we
will not be able to address all issues. In fact, the
only realistic approach, if we want to deliver any
recommendations, is to pick a handful of issues (2
to 4) on which we can all agree and for which we
believe we can propose recommendations that will
achieve consensus.</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I
remain optimistic that we can do this if we can
agree, meaning everyone will have to compromise, to
select this limited number of issues over the next
very few weeks and work diligently at meetings and
on the list to develop recommendations for these.</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">To
reach this objective I would propose the following
approach: </font></p>
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<ul>
<li><b><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Each
participant should pick <u>one</u> issue which
they believe is in scope for us and post that
issue to the list prior to our meeting of <span class="m_-6321784271530152255m_-4885749884167093590m_4386655363268652055gmail-aBn"><span class="m_-6321784271530152255m_-4885749884167093590m_4386655363268652055gmail-aQJ">23
August</span></span>. More specifically:</font></b></li>
<ul>
<li><b><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Issues
should be very specific -- avoid open-ended,
abstract or omnibus issues</font></b></li>
<li><b><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Issue
description should be succinct -- 12 standard
lines maximum</font></b></li>
<li><b><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Proposed
solutions – if you have a possible solution or
recommendation which should be considered,
please include it (again, being succinct).</font></b></li>
<li><b><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Put your
issue in a new email (not a reply), with the
subject ISSUE: [name of issue]</font></b></li>
<li><b><font face="verdana, sans-serif">The sooner,
the better</font></b></li>
</ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I
look forward to discussing this proposal at our next
meeting of <span class="m_-6321784271530152255m_-4885749884167093590m_4386655363268652055gmail-aBn"><span class="m_-6321784271530152255m_-4885749884167093590m_4386655363268652055gmail-aQJ"><b>16
August</b></span></span> and I would encourage
participants to comment on this proposal in response
to this email prior to that meeting.</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Greg</font></p>
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