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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 24 August 2017 08:14 PM,
Phil Corwin wrote:<br>
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I just pointed out in a prior email, the exercise of In Rem
jurisdiction still requires some party related to the domain
(registry or registrar) to be subject to US jurisdiction. So
unless a nation has its ccTLD operated by a US-based entity,
and unless a ccTLD registrant has opted to use a US-based
registrar, this is a non-issue for ccTLDs.</span></p>
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That US based party is ICANN, the owner of the DNS root. This fact
enables In Rem jurisdiction. <br>
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as I pointed out, this In Rem jurisdiction is completely
independent of ICANN’s incorporation and even its existence.</span></p>
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I am sorry if I sound flippant, but seriously, this sentence to me
appears to be in contradiction to what you say above. For, it is
because DNS root owner, ICANN is in the US, and not immune from its
jurisdiction, In Rem jurisdiction comes into picture, which you
rightly say "still requires some party related to the domain to be
subject to US jurisdiction", if only for enforcement of any judicial
writ.<br>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [EXTERNAL] Re:
ISSUE: In rem Jurisdiction over ccTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes,
Becky this is correct, ACPA is an anti-cybersquatting law
for trademark protection and was written with second-level
domains in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
guess it is possible that a gTLD would be subject to ACPA –
but if and only if someone managed to cybersquat a trademark
in the TLD level. And since ICANN’s TLD awarding process is
so heavily biased toward trademark owners, it is unlikely
that a TM-violating TLD (say, giving .IBM to Parminder)
would ever happen. But if it did, I supposed it could be
applied. I can’t see how it could ever be applied to a
ccTLD.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky via Ws2-jurisdiction<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
moz-do-not-send="true">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>;
<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz"
moz-do-not-send="true">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>;
<a href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br"
moz-do-not-send="true">
thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br</a>; <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [EXTERNAL] Re:
ISSUE: In rem Jurisdiction over ccTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Fwiw,
to the extent that US courts have in rem
jurisdiction over domain names, my recollection is
that is a function of very specific anti-squatting
trademark law and is extremely unlikely to apply to
ccTLDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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