<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">All,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I wanted to reflect in this email thread how the various topics in the paragraph submitted by Kavouss for potential inclusion in the "General License" recommendation have been dealt with in the document. Here are the different sections of the text, followed by my notes in italics.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Generally, ICANN must pursue the application for
general license at earliest time and should advertise and communicate with
registries and registrars to revise their registrant agreements and not to copy
and paste the general agreements found in US-based registrars. The role of
ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be
undermined</span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">.</span></p></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><i>This is now covered in the
section on General Licenses, so this is not needed here.</i><span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">There are several reports in the media that US-Based
and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains
immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions.</span></p></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><i>This is not related to General Licenses, so it should not be included in that recommendation. Regarding non-US registrars: This issue is generally discussed in the section </i></span><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">"Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars."</i><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> If the Subgroup receives media reports of
non-US registrars taking such actions and it appears there may be no legal basis for
these actions, we could cite them in this section. Since the Subgroup has not seen the reports mentioned here, we do not have any basis to include this sentence, and so it is not included. </i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Regarding US registrars, who have OFAC compliance obligations, there does not appear to be an issue that falls within the purview of the Subgroup. It may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations).</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Samples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic,
which made pressure against registrants having Iranian citizenship.</span></p></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><i>These are both US-based
registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC sanctions. As noted above, i</i></span><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">t may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations).</i><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> This does not fit with the issue discussed in
this report, which relates to mistaken application of OFAC sanctions by non-US
registrars, so it is not included. </i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">To determine the nature of registrant, registrars
usually refer to Admin contact details recorded in whois database. If admin
address and phone number is related to sanctioned countries, it is assumed that
domain owner is a hidden risk for the registrar, therefore registrars try to
examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC. </span></p></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><i>This is not related to the General License either. This seems to be directed
toward registrars’ business practices and business judgment. Without commenting on the validity of the
issue, this would not appear to be an issue for this Subgroup or the CCWG. Furthermore, if these are registrars with OFAC compliance obligations, then </i></span><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:15.3333px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><i>i</i></span><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">t may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations. If these are non-US registrars without OFAC compliance obligations, then this issue is covered generally under </i><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:13.3333px">"Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." As such the paragraph is not included.</i><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> </i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><i style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Best regards,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Greg</span></p></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Dear Paul</div><div id="m_-8933058917533112933AppleMailSignature">Thank you very much for your comments</div><div id="m_-8933058917533112933AppleMailSignature">I am open to soften the text as you suggested e.g. to replace " prove " by " determine" and the term"must" be a less stronger term such as" need" which is between must/ shall/ and may</div><div id="m_-8933058917533112933AppleMailSignature">However, due to the fact that we are severely affected by the process, may I humbly request you to kindly agree to retain the idea with slightly modified text to also be agreeable to you.</div><div id="m_-8933058917533112933AppleMailSignature">I am jerky awaiting to receive your fair suggestion as soon possible</div><div id="m_-8933058917533112933AppleMailSignature">Regards</div><div id="m_-8933058917533112933AppleMailSignature">Kavouss</div><div id="m_-8933058917533112933AppleMailSignature"><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 19 Sep 2017, at 02:16, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="m_-8933058917533112933WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">All<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Given the lateness with which we received Kavouss’s suggested paragraph and revisions and the fact that I, regretfully, could not make the call, let me note my disagreement with two aspects of it:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">First, on page 5, it is suggested that a survey be undertaken to “prove” that non-US registrars are imposing OFAC requirements. Since the point of the survey is to determine what is true, it is premature to assume that it will “prove” the facts assumed by the proposer. The word “prove” is therefore in error and should be replaced by “determent whether”<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Second, I oppose the proposed new paragraph at the end simply because, as written, I have absolutely no idea what is meant. But use of terms like “must” as an imperative are always inappropriate in recommendations. Insofar as I can discern the intent (that there is some action being taken by registries against registrants) that issue is a new one that needs to be fully discussed and it is, of course, quite different from the OFAC general license idea for ICANN that we have been discussing (which would only relate to ICANN’s on RAA agreements).<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Paul Rosenzweig<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">O: <a href="tel:(202)%20547-0660" value="+12025470660" target="_blank">+1 (202) 547-0660</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">M: <a href="tel:(202)%20329-9650" value="+12023299650" target="_blank">+1 (202) 329-9650</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">VOIP: <a href="tel:(202)%20738-1739" value="+12027381739" target="_blank">+1 (202) 738-1739</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">www.redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">My PGP Key: <a href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://keys.mailvelope.com/<wbr>pks/lookup?op=get&search=<wbr>0x9A830097CA066684</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 18, 2017 2:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">CORRECTED VERSION ATTACHED. A paragraph suggested by Kavouss, which is in the Google Doc, did not show up in the Word document (nor in the PDF, which is based on the Word doc). Corrected versions are attached. Thank you to Kavouss for catching this. Please see the last paragraph in the document so that you can review this suggested text.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Also, some crossed-out text at the very end that was supposed to be deleted (as noted on last week's call) has now been deleted from the attached (and the Google Doc).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">All,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I have attached a further revised OFAC Recommendation, reflecting changes suggested by Kavouss Arasteh and Seun Ojedeji. Word and PDF versions are attached, and the Google Doc reflects these suggested changes as well.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I look forward to our call.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>______________________________<wbr>_________________</span><span class=""><br><span>Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction</a></span><br></span></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></div>