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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I agree with Greg. It seems clear from what Erica said that this is not an OFAC issue at all but rather an EU sanctions issue (perhaps ICANN should also be getting a general license from the EU <span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😊</span>) and since it is an individual registrar it isn’t an ICANN issue either<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Paul Rosenzweig<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>O: +1 (202) 547-0660<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>M: +1 (202) 329-9650<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>My PGP Key: <a href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Rec.s<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Kavouss,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>As a factual happening, I don't see why this should be reflected in our report. Resello's business decision does not seem to be related to OFAC, US jurisdiction or to any ICANN-related jurisdiction.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I asked you whether Resello's agreement with ICANN (the Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA)) prohibits Resello from establishing the policy you have mentioned. If ICANN does not prohibit this policy, and it is not triggered by OFAC or some other connection to ICANN's jurisdictions, then it seems to be unconnected to our work.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I don't know whether there is an EU or Dutch law that requires this policy, or whether there is one that prohibits it. If there is one that requires it, that is not an "ICANN jurisdiction" issue. If there is one that prohibits it and Resello is violating Dutch law, then it may be that Resello is violating the RAA requirement (Section 3.7.2) that Registrars abide by applicable law. But again, that's a Compliance issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do not know what question you raised. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you believe that <em><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Mark Assenberg</span></b></em><b><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><br></span></i></b><strong><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> from Resello which is a subsidiary company for Yourholding holding:</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:8.0pt;margin-left:0in'><b>with the below address <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Ceintuurbaan+28+8024+AA+Zwolle&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#0563C1;font-weight:normal'>Ceintuurbaan 28</span></a></b><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>,<a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Ceintuurbaan+28+8024+AA+Zwolle&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1;font-weight:normal'>8024 AA Zwolle</span></a>, <a href="tel:+31%2038%20453%200752" target="_blank">+31 38 453 0752</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><div style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>based in Netherlands.being a non US-Based company on the basis of which </span></strong><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>section of the RAA refrain such a business decision (i.e., a registrar deciding not to do business with citizens of a given country (whether it is Canada, Haiti, Iran or otherwise)?</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>May you address this issue as a factual happening .</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Pls kindly advise how you trest and reflect that in the report</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Regards</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-bottom:8.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#888888'>Kavouss </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Nigel Roberts <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>On 20/09/17 18:19, Greg Shatan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Can you please guide me to the section of the RAA that would prevent<br>such a business decision (i.e., a registrar deciding not to do business<br>with citizens of a given country (whether it is Canada, Haiti, Iran or<br>otherwise)?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>In the United Kingdom, never mind the RAA, this would be quite illegal (see s.13, prohibited conduct) unless such treatment is required by law (e.g. required by legally binding sanctions).<br><br>How can anyone in the 21st century believe that any "business decision" doctrine could allow making decisions on the basis of race/citizenship (or any other protected characteristic) is quite alien over here and incomprehensible.<br><br><a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15" target="_blank">http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org">Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>