<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Dear Farzaneh</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thank you very much for your kind message</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The case I sent to Greg is not a US Based </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Registrar not a US National</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The Registrar informed the Iranian national</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">residing outside Iran domain name reseller </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">That due to internal policy of his (Dutch based )</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Office he does not to deal with that reseller</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Pls kindly read my mail in which all details été </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Provided</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Pls also read Nigle reply </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks again for your kind comments which is highly appreciated</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Regards</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Kavouss</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"> <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 22 Sep 2017, at 01:59, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Dear Kavouss,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I believe the point 4 and 5 you are making is thoroughly discussed by the group and addressed by the below recommendation:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px"> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px">"ICANN needs to bring awareness of these issues to registrars. ICANN should clarify to registrars that the mere existence of their RAA with ICANN does not cause them to be required to comply with OFAC sanctions. ICANN should also explore various tools to remind registrars to understand the applicable laws under which they operate and to accurately reflect those laws in their customer relationships."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px">If we add the examples you are making, there will be a lot of interpretations about how and why these registrars applied OFAC and it will cause problems for the implementation of the recommendation. Especially because Godaddy is a US-based entity and is following OFAC not because of its contract with ICANN but because it has to as a US-based entity. I appreciate that you found these examples but I don't think they should be included. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Greg</div><div>I have already replied </div><div>You have partially included my first and second points </div><div>But four other points are not incliuded either in the recommands parts or in the introductroy part or in preamble to recommands part</div><div>You said that you have taken them into account but you have not included them </div><div>What answr you expect from me</div><div>I humbly and respectfully ask you to include them in relevant parts of the documents see points 3-6 of my message to you </div><div>See below</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>3. The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be undermined. </em></font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This part is talking about awareness that was extensively discussed and thus fits </em></font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>4. There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions</em></font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This could be included in appropriate part .if it does not fit with the recommends part </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>5.Examples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic, which made pressure against registrants having citizenship of Sanction coountries. This could be included in the introductory part of the OFAC sanctions and registrar</em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>6 Registrars should be reminded that they should not normally examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.</em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This could be included either in the recommends part or preamble of the recommend part </em></font></span></div></font></font></font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font face="Times New Roman" 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lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></p><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Regards</em></font></span></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-yj6qo m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajU"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajR" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1gf"><font color="#0000ff"><em><img class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></em></font></div></div><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-HOEnZb m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adL"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Kavouss </em></font></span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em> </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em> </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></font></font></span></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-HOEnZb m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adL"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adm"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajR m_-5935792482117197198gmail-h4" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-q_15ea06cec6a9d6cf_3"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajT"><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Kavouss et al.,</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>First, if you would explain how the suggested text, past the first two sentences, fits as part of a <u>recommendation</u> on the <u>General License</u>, that would be helpful. The remaining suggested text is a series of claims that actions have been taken by US and non-US registrars to exclude registrants from sanctioned countries, without any recommendation text. <b>How does this fit in General License recommendation?</b> The suggested paragraph was put there, but it does not fit in that context.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>To be clear, each <u>recommendation</u> section discusses actual actions to be taken by ICANN organization to resolve an issue if it accepts the CCWG recommendation, or that we would suggest other ICANN structures or stakeholders take to resolve an issue. The remaining proposed text does not perform this function and thus seems to have no place as part of the <u>General License Recommendation</u>.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>To the extent these claims relate to concerns about the activities of non-US registrars, they are addressed in the section discussing application of OFAC sanctions by non-US registrars who are not required to do so. It was agreed on the call that this section would be focused on actual or apparent mistaken application of OFAC sanctions, with corresponding recommendations to resolve that issue.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>We have never discussed an issue with regard to the activities of US registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC regulations. As such, mentioning activities of US registrars (or broadly claimed to be activities of all registrars) does not seem to be appropriate.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Second, if you would respond to and try to resolve the substance of the specific concerns I raised, that would be helpful. Otherwise, there does not seem to be any substantive basis for accepting any of these suggestions.<br></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I don't think it is helpful or accurate to describe this as a removal of text, as it was never accepted into the text in the first place. It was a very late suggested addition to a document that has been worked on for a number of weeks, which was provided scant hours before the call. Vite fait, mal fait, as you say.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>To accept the remainder of the text into the document, the Subgroup would need to support:</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><ul><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>The idea that activities of US-based registrars raise a concern for this group to address, and that this group has accepted this concern as an Issue.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That new Issues should be introduced to this document at this point.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That issues should be put into the document without corresponding recommendations.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That "media reports" should be cited in the document without being seen by the Subgroup.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That the business and legal judgement of registrars, beyond the issue of mistaken application of OFAC sanctions, is an appropriate topic for this group and an issue that this group has agreed should be addressed in the document.</em></font></li></ul><div><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>If there is broad support for these concepts in the Subgroup and if the concerns about the suggested text can be resolved, it would be good to hear it now, so the document can be revised appropriately.</em></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>Best regards,</em></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>Greg</em></font></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_4976841652865297711HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_4976841652865297711h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Deaar Thiago, Dear Jorge,</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Thanks to your positive r3sponse .I am waiting for Greg to resolve the issue.</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>I strongly oppose to the unilateral removal of the last paragraph as result of off line exchange of views between two or three individual.</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>We should be transparent</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>We should listen to each other.We should consider problems of others </em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Tks </em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Regards</em></font></div><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_4976841652865297711m_7505901213401055704HOEnZb"><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Kavouss </em></font></div></span></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_4976841652865297711m_7505901213401055704HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_4976841652865297711m_7505901213401055704h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira </em></font><span dir="ltr"><font color="#0000ff"><em><</em></font><a href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.b</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>r</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>></em></font></span><font color="#0000ff"><em> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Dear Greg,<br><br>I add my voice to Jorge's suggestion and look forward to an agreeable solution.<br><br>Best,<br><br>Thiago<br><br><br>-----Mensagem original-----<br>De: </em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em> [mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounc</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>es@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>] Em nome de </em></font><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</em></font></a><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Enviada em: quarta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2017 05:10<br>Para: </em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Cc: </em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Assunto: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br></em></font><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_4976841652865297711m_7505901213401055704m_-3499835125176042479HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_4976841652865297711m_7505901213401055704m_-3499835125176042479h5"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Dear Greg,<br><br>would it be possible that Kavouss' concerns are addressed by you also bilaterally as he seems not to be satisfied with these explanations, This could help avoiding any misunderstanding?<br><br>I feel we are very close to consensus and such an effort would most probably be helpful in order to allow all to be on board.<br><br>kind regards<br><br>Jorge<br><br><br>______________________________</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>__<br><br>Von: Greg Shatan <</em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>Datum: 20. September 2017 um 07:25:56 MESZ<br>An: Arasteh <</em></font><a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>Cc: ws2-jurisdiction <</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>Betreff: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br><br>All,<br><br>I wanted to reflect in this email thread how the various topics in the paragraph submitted by Kavouss for potential inclusion in the "General License" recommendation have been dealt with in the document. Here are the different sections of the text, followed by my notes in italics.<br><br>Generally, ICANN must pursue the application for general license at earliest time and should advertise and communicate with registries and registrars to revise their registrant agreements and not to copy and paste the general agreements found in US-based registrars. The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be undermined.<br><br>This is now covered in the section on General Licenses, so this is not needed here.<br><br>There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions.<br><br>This is not related to General Licenses, so it should not be included in that recommendation. Regarding non-US registrars: This issue is generally discussed in the section "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." If the Subgroup receives media reports of non-US registrars taking such actions and it appears there may be no legal basis for these actions, we could cite them in this section. Since the Subgroup has not seen the reports mentioned here, we do not have any basis to include this sentence, and so it is not included.<br><br>Regarding US registrars, who have OFAC compliance obligations, there does not appear to be an issue that falls within the purview of the Subgroup. It may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations).<br><br>Samples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic, which made pressure against registrants having Iranian citizenship.<br><br>These are both US-based registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC sanctions. As noted above, it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations). This does not fit with the issue discussed in this report, which relates to mistaken application of OFAC sanctions by non-US registrars, so it is not included.<br><br>To determine the nature of registrant, registrars usually refer to Admin contact details recorded in whois database. If admin address and phone number is related to sanctioned countries, it is assumed that domain owner is a hidden risk for the registrar, therefore registrars try to examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.<br><br>This is not related to the General License either. This seems to be directed toward registrars' business practices and business judgment. Without commenting on the validity of the issue, this would not appear to be an issue for this Subgroup or the CCWG. Furthermore, if these are registrars with OFAC compliance obligations, then it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations. If these are non-US registrars without OFAC compliance obligations, then this issue is covered generally under "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." As such the paragraph is not included.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Greg<br><br>On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Arasteh <</em></font><a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mai</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>lto:</em></font><a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>></em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>> wrote:<br>Dear Paul<br>Thank you very much for your comments<br>I am open to soften the text as you suggested e.g. to replace " prove " by " determine" and the term"must" be a less stronger term such as" need" which is between must/ shall/ and may However, due to the fact that we are severely affected by the process, may I humbly request you to kindly agree to retain the idea with slightly modified text to also be agreeable to you.<br>I am jerky awaiting to receive your fair suggestion as soon possible Regards Kavouss<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On 19 Sep 2017, at 02:16, Paul Rosenzweig <</em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchcons</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>ulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzw</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>eig@redbranchconsulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>>> wrote:<br><br>All<br><br>Given the lateness with which we received Kavouss's suggested paragraph and revisions and the fact that I, regretfully, could not make the call, let me note my disagreement with two aspects of it:<br><br>First, on page 5, it is suggested that a survey be undertaken to "prove" that non-US registrars are imposing OFAC requirements. Since the point of the survey is to determine what is true, it is premature to assume that it will "prove" the facts assumed by the proposer. The word "prove" is therefore in error and should be replaced by "determent whether"<br><br>Second, I oppose the proposed new paragraph at the end simply because, as written, I have absolutely no idea what is meant. But use of terms like "must" as an imperative are always inappropriate in recommendations. Insofar as I can discern the intent (that there is some action being taken by registries against registrants) that issue is a new one that needs to be fully discussed and it is, of course, quite different from the OFAC general license idea for ICANN that we have been discussing (which would only relate to ICANN's on RAA agreements).<br><br>Paul<br><br>Paul Rosenzweig<br></em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsu</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>lting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzwe</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>ig@redbranchconsulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>O: </em></font><a href="tel:(202)%20547-0660" value="+12025470660" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>+1 (202) 547-0660</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><tel:(202)%20547-0660><br>M: </em></font><a href="tel:(202)%20329-9650" value="+12023299650" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>+1 (202) 329-9650</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><tel:(202)%20329-9650><br>VOIP: </em></font><a href="tel:(202)%20738-1739" value="+12027381739" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>+1 (202) 738-1739</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><tel:(202)%20738-1739> </em></font><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>www.redbranchconsulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><</em></font><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ht</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>tp://www.redbranchconsulting.c</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>om/</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>My PGP Key: </em></font><a href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>https://keys.mailvelope.com/pk</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>s/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>097CA066684</em></font></a><br><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>From: </em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-b</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>ounces@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>> [mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounc</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>es@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan<br>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:13 PM<br>To: ws2-jurisdiction <</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><ma</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>ilto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.or</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>g</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>>><br>Subject: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br><br>CORRECTED VERSION ATTACHED. A paragraph suggested by Kavouss, which is in the Google Doc, did not show up in the Word document (nor in the PDF, which is based on the Word doc). Corrected versions are attached. Thank you to Kavouss for catching this. Please see the last paragraph in the document so that you can review this suggested text.<br><br>Also, some crossed-out text at the very end that was supposed to be deleted (as noted on last week's call) has now been deleted from the attached (and the Google Doc).<br><br>Greg<br><br><br><br>On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Greg Shatan <</em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailt</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>o:</em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>>> wrote:<br>All,<br><br>I have attached a further revised OFAC Recommendation, reflecting changes suggested by Kavouss Arasteh and Seun Ojedeji. Word and PDF versions are attached, and the Google Doc reflects these suggested changes as well.<br><br>I look forward to our call.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Greg<br><br>______________________________</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>_________________<br>Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list<br></em></font><a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mai</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>lto:</em></font><a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>><br></em></font><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l</em></font><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>istinfo/ws2-jurisdiction</em></font></a><br><br><font 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class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gK"><span><span title="Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 10:12 PM" class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g3" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1gv" alt="Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 10:12 PM"><font color="#0000ff"><em>10:12 PM (19 hours ago)</em></font></span><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-zd m_-5935792482117197198gmail-bi4" style="outline:0px"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-T-KT"><font color="#0000ff"><em><img class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-f m_-5935792482117197198gmail-T-KT-JX" alt="" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif"></em></font></span></div></span></div></td><td class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gH"><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></td><td class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gH m_-5935792482117197198gmail-acX" rowspan="2"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-T-I m_-5935792482117197198gmail-J-J5-Ji m_-5935792482117197198gmail-T-I-Js-IF m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aaq m_-5935792482117197198gmail-T-I-ax7 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m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajw"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-hb"><font color="#0000ff"><em>to <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="Greg">Greg</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="ws2-jurisdicti.">ws2-jurisdicti.</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="Thomas">Thomas</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="León">León</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="Jordan">Jordan</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="jorge.cancio">jorge.cancio</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="Thiago">Thiago</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="Olga">Olga</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="parminder">parminder</span> </em></font></span></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajy"><font color="#0000ff"><em><img class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajz" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1h5" alt="" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif"></em></font></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-qQVYZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-utdU2e"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-btm"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aHl"><div id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1h4"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ii m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gt m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adP m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adO" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1gt"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-a3s m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aXjCH m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m15ea0ebec6abdcdb" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1gs"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>Dear Greg</em></font></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>I replied to your message.</em></font></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>I modified that paragraph to fit in the text . I suggested to transfer part of the paragraph to the relevant part of the doc. I am waiting for that </em></font></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>Pls kindly be positive, contructive and objective and do not put obstacle in every suggestions made. This is not a private group and you MUST prperly act</em></font></font></div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>Regards</em></font></font></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-yj6qo m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajU"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajR" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1h7"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em><img class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></em></font></font></div></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-HOEnZb m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adL"><div><em>Kavouss </em></div></span></font></font></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-HOEnZb m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adL"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adm"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajR m_-5935792482117197198gmail-h4" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-q_15ea101d6bc66c90_3"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajT"><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br></font></font><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Greg </em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>I read your comments </em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>To clarify the matter and to some extent comply with your questions .I have prepared the following reply.</em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Pls kindly consider then favourable as they are now fitting the text either in the recommands part or in the preamble to the recommand </em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Regards</em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff"><em><font face="Calibri" size="3">Kavouss </font> </em></font></span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font face="Calibri"><font size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em><span lang="EN-US">1.The last sentence reads” </span><span lang="EN-US">unless the results of the study demonstrate that it would be inappropriate for ICANN to pursue these licenses.”To this effect the first sentensce below “ what Criteria……inappropriate Because you qualify the study by being inappropriate and I did suggest what criteria will be use to make the judgement </span></em></font></font></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Thus the first sentence would fir .You may include my comment by modifying the sentence as follows </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>UNLESS, USING APPROPRIATE CRITERIA, THE RESULTS OF STUDY DEMONSTRATE THAT IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR ICANN TO PURSUE THESE STUDIES.</em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em> </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>2.</em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Generally, ICANN <span> </span>should pursue the application for general license at earliest time and should <span> </span>remind the registries not to copy and paste the general agreements found in US-based registrars. </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This also fits </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em> </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>3. The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be undermined. </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This part is talking about awareness that was extensively discussed and thus fits </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>4. There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions</em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This could be included in appropriate part .if it does not fit with the recommends part </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>5.Examples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic, which made pressure against registrants having citizenship of Sanction coountries. This could be included in the introductory part of the OFAC sanctions and registrar</em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>6 Registrars should be reminded that they should not normally examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.</em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This could be included either in the recommends part or preamble of the recommend part </em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Regards</em></font></span></div><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086HOEnZb"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Kavouss </em></font></span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em> </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em> <span></span></em></font></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></font></font></span></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Kavouss et al.,</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>First, if you would explain how the suggested text, past the first two sentences, fits as part of a <u>recommendation</u> on the <u>General License</u>, that would be helpful. The remaining suggested text is a series of claims that actions have been taken by US and non-US registrars to exclude registrants from sanctioned countries, without any recommendation text. <b>How does this fit in General License recommendation?</b> The suggested paragraph was put there, but it does not fit in that context.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>To be clear, each <u>recommendation</u> section discusses actual actions to be taken by ICANN organization to resolve an issue if it accepts the CCWG recommendation, or that we would suggest other ICANN structures or stakeholders take to resolve an issue. The remaining proposed text does not perform this function and thus seems to have no place as part of the <u>General License Recommendation</u>.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>To the extent these claims relate to concerns about the activities of non-US registrars, they are addressed in the section discussing application of OFAC sanctions by non-US registrars who are not required to do so. It was agreed on the call that this section would be focused on actual or apparent mistaken application of OFAC sanctions, with corresponding recommendations to resolve that issue.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>We have never discussed an issue with regard to the activities of US registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC regulations. As such, mentioning activities of US registrars (or broadly claimed to be activities of all registrars) does not seem to be appropriate.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Second, if you would respond to and try to resolve the substance of the specific concerns I raised, that would be helpful. Otherwise, there does not seem to be any substantive basis for accepting any of these suggestions.<br></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I don't think it is helpful or accurate to describe this as a removal of text, as it was never accepted into the text in the first place. It was a very late suggested addition to a document that has been worked on for a number of weeks, which was provided scant hours before the call. Vite fait, mal fait, as you say.</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>To accept the remainder of the text into the document, the Subgroup would need to support:</em></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><ul><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>The idea that activities of US-based registrars raise a concern for this group to address, and that this group has accepted this concern as an Issue.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That new Issues should be introduced to this document at this point.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That issues should be put into the document without corresponding recommendations.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That "media reports" should be cited in the document without being seen by the Subgroup.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That the business and legal judgement of registrars, beyond the issue of mistaken application of OFAC sanctions, is an appropriate topic for this group and an issue that this group has agreed should be addressed in the document.</em></font></li></ul><div><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>If there is broad support for these concepts in the Subgroup and if the concerns about the suggested text can be resolved, it would be good to hear it now, so the document can be revised appropriately.</em></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>Best regards,</em></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>Greg</em></font></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086m_8148405373888050655HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086m_8148405373888050655h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Deaar Thiago, Dear Jorge,</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Thanks to your positive r3sponse .I am waiting for Greg to resolve the issue.</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>I strongly oppose to the unilateral removal of the last paragraph as result of off line exchange of views between two or three individual.</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>We should be transparent</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>We should listen to each other.We should consider problems of others </em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Tks </em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Regards</em></font></div><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086m_8148405373888050655m_7505901213401055704HOEnZb"><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Kavouss </em></font></div></span></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086m_8148405373888050655m_7505901213401055704HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086m_8148405373888050655m_7505901213401055704h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br" target="_blank">thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.b<wbr>r</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Dear Greg,<br><br>I add my voice to Jorge's suggestion and look forward to an agreeable solution.<br><br>Best,<br><br>Thiago<br><br><br>-----Mensagem original-----<br>De: </em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em> [mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounc<wbr>es@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>] Em nome de </em></font><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</em></font></a><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Enviada em: quarta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2017 05:10<br>Para: </em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Cc: </em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Assunto: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br></em></font><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086m_8148405373888050655m_7505901213401055704m_-3499835125176042479HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_-1070076860924313086m_8148405373888050655m_7505901213401055704m_-3499835125176042479h5"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Dear Greg,<br><br>would it be possible that Kavouss' concerns are addressed by you also bilaterally as he seems not to be satisfied with these explanations, This could help avoiding any misunderstanding?<br><br>I feel we are very close to consensus and such an effort would most probably be helpful in order to allow all to be on board.<br><br>kind regards<br><br>Jorge<br><br><br>______________________________<wbr>__<br><br>Von: Greg Shatan <</em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>Datum: 20. September 2017 um 07:25:56 MESZ<br>An: Arasteh <</em></font><a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>Cc: ws2-jurisdiction <</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>Betreff: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br><br>All,<br><br>I wanted to reflect in this email thread how the various topics in the paragraph submitted by Kavouss for potential inclusion in the "General License" recommendation have been dealt with in the document. Here are the different sections of the text, followed by my notes in italics.<br><br>Generally, ICANN must pursue the application for general license at earliest time and should advertise and communicate with registries and registrars to revise their registrant agreements and not to copy and paste the general agreements found in US-based registrars. The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be undermined.<br><br>This is now covered in the section on General Licenses, so this is not needed here.<br><br>There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions.<br><br>This is not related to General Licenses, so it should not be included in that recommendation. Regarding non-US registrars: This issue is generally discussed in the section "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." If the Subgroup receives media reports of non-US registrars taking such actions and it appears there may be no legal basis for these actions, we could cite them in this section. Since the Subgroup has not seen the reports mentioned here, we do not have any basis to include this sentence, and so it is not included.<br><br>Regarding US registrars, who have OFAC compliance obligations, there does not appear to be an issue that falls within the purview of the Subgroup. It may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations).<br><br>Samples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic, which made pressure against registrants having Iranian citizenship.<br><br>These are both US-based registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC sanctions. As noted above, it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations). This does not fit with the issue discussed in this report, which relates to mistaken application of OFAC sanctions by non-US registrars, so it is not included.<br><br>To determine the nature of registrant, registrars usually refer to Admin contact details recorded in whois database. If admin address and phone number is related to sanctioned countries, it is assumed that domain owner is a hidden risk for the registrar, therefore registrars try to examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.<br><br>This is not related to the General License either. This seems to be directed toward registrars' business practices and business judgment. Without commenting on the validity of the issue, this would not appear to be an issue for this Subgroup or the CCWG. Furthermore, if these are registrars with OFAC compliance obligations, then it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations. If these are non-US registrars without OFAC compliance obligations, then this issue is covered generally under "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." As such the paragraph is not included.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Greg<br><br>On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Arasteh <</em></font><a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mai<wbr>lto:</em></font><a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><wbr>> wrote:<br>Dear Paul<br>Thank you very much for your comments<br>I am open to soften the text as you suggested e.g. to replace " prove " by " determine" and the term"must" be a less stronger term such as" need" which is between must/ shall/ and may However, due to the fact that we are severely affected by the process, may I humbly request you to kindly agree to retain the idea with slightly modified text to also be agreeable to you.<br>I am jerky awaiting to receive your fair suggestion as soon possible Regards Kavouss<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On 19 Sep 2017, at 02:16, Paul Rosenzweig <</em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchcons<wbr>ulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzw<wbr>eig@redbranchconsulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>>> wrote:<br><br>All<br><br>Given the lateness with which we received Kavouss's suggested paragraph and revisions and the fact that I, regretfully, could not make the call, let me note my disagreement with two aspects of it:<br><br>First, on page 5, it is suggested that a survey be undertaken to "prove" that non-US registrars are imposing OFAC requirements. Since the point of the survey is to determine what is true, it is premature to assume that it will "prove" the facts assumed by the proposer. The word "prove" is therefore in error and should be replaced by "determent whether"<br><br>Second, I oppose the proposed new paragraph at the end simply because, as written, I have absolutely no idea what is meant. But use of terms like "must" as an imperative are always inappropriate in recommendations. Insofar as I can discern the intent (that there is some action being taken by registries against registrants) that issue is a new one that needs to be fully discussed and it is, of course, quite different from the OFAC general license idea for ICANN that we have been discussing (which would only relate to ICANN's on RAA agreements).<br><br>Paul<br><br>Paul Rosenzweig<br></em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsu<wbr>lting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzwe<wbr>ig@redbranchconsulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>O: </em></font><a href="tel:(202)%20547-0660" value="+12025470660" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>+1 (202) 547-0660</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><tel:(202)%20547-0660><br>M: </em></font><a href="tel:(202)%20329-9650" value="+12023299650" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>+1 (202) 329-9650</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><tel:(202)%20329-9650><br>VOIP: </em></font><a href="tel:(202)%20738-1739" value="+12027381739" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>+1 (202) 738-1739</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><tel:(202)%20738-1739> </em></font><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>www.redbranchconsulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><</em></font><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ht<wbr>tp://www.redbranchconsulting.c<wbr>om/</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>My PGP Key: </em></font><a href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>https://keys.mailvelope.com/pk<wbr>s/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830<wbr>097CA066684</em></font></a><br><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>From: </em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-b<wbr>ounces@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>> [mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounc<wbr>es@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan<br>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:13 PM<br>To: ws2-jurisdiction <</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><ma<wbr>ilto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.or<wbr>g</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>>><br>Subject: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br><br>CORRECTED VERSION ATTACHED. A paragraph suggested by Kavouss, which is in the Google Doc, did not show up in the Word document (nor in the PDF, which is based on the Word doc). Corrected versions are attached. Thank you to Kavouss for catching this. Please see the last paragraph in the document so that you can review this suggested text.<br><br>Also, some crossed-out text at the very end that was supposed to be deleted (as noted on last week's call) has now been deleted from the attached (and the Google Doc).<br><br>Greg<br><br><br><br>On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Greg Shatan <</em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailt<wbr>o:</em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>>> wrote:<br>All,<br><br>I have attached a further revised OFAC Recommendation, reflecting changes suggested by Kavouss Arasteh and Seun Ojedeji. Word and PDF versions are attached, and the Google Doc reflects these suggested changes as well.<br><br>I look forward to our call.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Greg<br><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list<br></em></font><a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mai<wbr>lto:</em></font><a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><wbr>><br></em></font><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/ws2-jurisdiction</em></font></a><br><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list<br></em></font><a 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cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-acZ"><td class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gF m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gK"><table class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-cf m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ix" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td><h3 class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-iw"><font color="#0000ff"><em><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gD" name="Greg Shatan">Greg Shatan</span> </em></font></h3></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gH"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gK"><span><span title="Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:00 AM" class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g3" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1hs" alt="Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:00 AM"><font color="#0000ff"><em>7:00 AM (10 hours ago)</em></font></span><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-zd m_-5935792482117197198gmail-bi4" style="outline:0px"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-T-KT"><font color="#0000ff"><em><img class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-f 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id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1i3"><font color="#0000ff"><em><img class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-hA m_-5935792482117197198gmail-T-I-J3" alt="" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif"></em></font></div></td></tr><tr class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-acZ m_-5935792482117197198gmail-xD"><td colspan="3"><table class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-cf m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adz" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ady"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-iw m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajw"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-hb"><font color="#0000ff"><em>to <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="me">me</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="ws2-jurisdicti.">ws2-jurisdicti.</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="Thomas">Thomas</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="León">León</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="Jordan">Jordan</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="jorge.cancio">jorge.cancio</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="Thiago">Thiago</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="Olga">Olga</span>, <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-g2" dir="ltr" name="parminder">parminder</span> </em></font></span></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajy"><font color="#0000ff"><em><img class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajz" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1i2" alt="" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif"></em></font></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-qQVYZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-utdU2e"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-btm"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aHl"><div id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1i1"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ii m_-5935792482117197198gmail-gt m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adP m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adO" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1hq"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-a3s m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aXjCH m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m15ea2cf303987c40" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1hp"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>Kavouss,</em></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>Thank you for your email, clarifying your earlier points. This is very helpful. I have incorporated certain of your points into the General License recommendation, so that it now reads (new language in red):</em></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em><span>ICANN should take steps to pursue one or more OFAC “general licenses” with the U.S. Department of Treasury in connection with DNS-related transactions. Initially, ICANN should make it a priority to study the costs, benefits, timeline and details of seeking and securing one or more general licenses for DNS-related transactions. I</span>CANN should then pursue one or more OFAC general licenses<div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"> <b>at the earliest possible time</b></div>, unless significant obstacles were discovered in the “study” process.<div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"></div><span> If there are significant obstacles, ICANN should report them to the [empowered] community and seek its advice on how to proceed. If unsuccessful, ICANN would need to find other ways to accomplish the ultimate goal -- enabling transactions between ICANN and residents of sanctioned countries to be consummated with a minimum of “friction.” </span><b style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium">It is critical that ICANN communicate regularly about progress toward securing general licenses, in order to raise awareness in the ICANN community and with affected parties.</b></em></font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>Thank you again for your input. I hope you will agree that this is an appropriate way to take your concerns into account within the structure and focus of the Subgroup document For a more detailed discussion, please see my inline responses below.</em></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>Best regards,</em></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>Greg</em></font></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-im"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Greg </em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>I read your comments </em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>To clarify the matter and to some extent comply with your questions .I have prepared the following reply.</em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Pls kindly consider then favourable as they are now fitting the text either in the recommands part or in the preamble to the recommand </em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Regards</em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff"><em><font face="Calibri" size="3">Kavouss </font> </em></font></span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font face="Calibri"><font size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em><span lang="EN-US">1.The last sentence reads” </span><span lang="EN-US">unless the results of the study demonstrate that it would be inappropriate for ICANN to pursue these licenses.”</span></em></font></font></font></p></font></font></div></blockquote></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>You seem to be looking at an old version of the document. The current version was circulated at <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aBn"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aQJ">5:18 AM UTC</span></span> (20 September). A copy is attached for your convenience. </em></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em><span>The sentence you refer to was removed from the Recommendation as a result of <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aBn"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aQJ">Monday's</span></span> call, which was reflected in the versions circulated 19 September and 20 September. As it now reads, ICANN no longer has discretion to decide that it is "inappropriate" to seek a general license, and thus there is no reference to "criteria" for ICANN to apply. The recommendation now reads:</span><br></em></font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></font></div></div></div></font></font></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;padding:0px;border:currentColor"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;padding:0px;border:currentColor"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ICANN should take steps to pursue one or more OFAC “general licenses” with the U.S. Department of Treasury in connection with DNS-related transactions. Initially, ICANN should make it a priority to study the costs, benefits, timeline and details of seeking and securing one or more general licenses for DNS-related transactions. CANN should then pursue one or more OFAC general licenses<div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"></div>, unless significant obstacles were discovered in the “study” process.<div class="gmail_default" style="display:inline"></div><span> If there are significant obstacles, ICANN should report them to the [empowered] community and seek its advice on how to proceed. If unsuccessful, ICANN would need to find other ways to accomplish the ultimate goal -- enabling transactions between ICANN and residents of sanctioned countries to be consummated with a minimum of “friction.”</span></em></font></font></font></font></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-im"><div><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em> </em></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font face="Calibri"><font color="#0000ff" size="3"><span lang="EN-US"><em>To this effect the first sentensce below “ what Criteria……inappropriate Because you qualify the study by being inappropriate and I did suggest what criteria will be use to make the judgement </em></span></font></font></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Thus the first sentence would fir .You may include my comment by modifying the sentence as follows </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>UNLESS, USING APPROPRIATE CRITERIA, THE RESULTS OF STUDY DEMONSTRATE THAT IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR ICANN TO PURSUE THESE STUDIES.</em></font></span></p></font></font></div></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>Please review the Recommendation. I believe you will see that sentence above no longer applies.</em></font></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em> </em></font></span></p><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em></em></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><font color="#0000ff"><em>2.</em></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Generally, ICANN <span> </span>should pursue the application for general license at earliest time and should <span> </span>remind the registries not to copy and paste the general agreements found in US-based registrars. </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This also fits</em></font></span></p></font></font></font></div></blockquote></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>In order to fit the first part in, I would suggest revising the third sentence of the General License Recommendation so that it reads (added language in <b>red</b>)</em></font></font></font></div></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">"</font></font></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">ICANN should then pursue one or more OFAC general licenses<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"> <b>at the earliest possible time</b></div>, unless significant obstacles were discovered in the “study” process.<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">"</div></span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> </span></font></font></font></em></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></font></font></div></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">On the second part, I can't see the connection between (1) existing non-US registrars "copying and pasting" registrant agreements and (2) general licenses allowing ICANN to enter into Registrar Accreditation Agreements with registrars from sanctioned countries. </font></font></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> </font></font></font></em></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em></em></font></span></p><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em> </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>3. The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be undermined. </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This part is talking about awareness that was extensively discussed and thus fits</em></font></span></p></font></font></font></font></font></div></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>In order to fit this in, I would suggest revising this slightly and adding the following new sentence to the end of the General License Recommendation: </em></font></font></font></font></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em><b style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium">It is critical that ICANN communicate regularly about progress toward securing general licenses, in order to raise awareness in the ICANN community and with affected parties.</b><br></em></font></font></font></font></font></font></div><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em></em></font></span></p><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>4. There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions</em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This could be included in appropriate part .if it does not fit with the recommends part</em></font></span></p></font></font></font></font></div></blockquote></span><div><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><em>This issue (relating to current registrars) does not appear to relate to the General License, so it would not fit in the General License recommendation. Also, we do not have an issue that relates to US registrars, because they do in fact have OFAC compliance obligations, so there is no appropriate part in connection with US registrars.</em></div></font></font></font></font></div><div><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></div></font></font></font></font></div><div><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline">As for non-US registrars, if the Subgroup reviewed these media reports and confirmed the transfers demands were related to (possibly mistaken) OFAC concerns, then this could be added to the section on "Application of OFAC sanctions by Non-US Registrars."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;display:inline"> But right now, we do not have enough to go on.</div></em></font></font></font></font></font></div><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em></em></font></span></p><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>5.Examples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic, which made pressure against registrants having citizenship of Sanction coountries. This could be included in the introductory part of the OFAC sanctions and registrar</em></font></span></p></font></font></font></div></blockquote></span><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em>These are both US registrars. As noted above, w<span>e do not have an issue that relates to US registrars, because they do in fact have OFAC compliance obligations.</span></em></font></font></font></font></div><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br></font></font></font></div><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-im"><div><font color="#0000ff"><em> </em></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>6 Registrars should be reminded that they should not normally examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.</em></font></span></p></font></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>This could be included either in the recommends part or preamble of the recommend part</em></font></span></div></font></font></div></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>The Report is now limited to clarifying that non US registrars do not have to comply with OFAC sanctions merely because they have a contract with ICANN. Some broader statements were removed on the last call based on general agreement. This is a new issue, which relates to legal/business judgment by individual registrars. The Subgroup has repeatedly said that it will not give legal advice and that it is up to each registrar to determine whether they have OFAC compliance obligations and, if so, what compliance requires. Therefore it does not seem to fit in the Report.</em></font></font></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-yj6qo m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajU"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajR" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-:1i4"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em><img class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></em></font></font></div></div></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adL"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></font></font></div></font></font><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adL"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"></font><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-adm"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"></font></font><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajR m_-5935792482117197198gmail-h4" id="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-q_15ea2e51a8b30c02_15"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-ajT"><em></em></div></font></font><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-h5"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"></font></font><div dir="ltr"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em></em></font></span></font></font></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Regards</em></font></span></font></font></font></font></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-HOEnZb"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;border:currentColor;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Kavouss </em></font></span></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em> </em></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em> <span></span></em></font></font></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></font></font></span></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Kavouss et al.,</em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>First, if you would explain how the suggested text, past the first two sentences, fits as part of a <u>recommendation</u> on the <u>General License</u>, that would be helpful. The remaining suggested text is a series of claims that actions have been taken by US and non-US registrars to exclude registrants from sanctioned countries, without any recommendation text. <b>How does this fit in General License recommendation?</b> The suggested paragraph was put there, but it does not fit in that context.</em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>To be clear, each <u>recommendation</u> section discusses actual actions to be taken by ICANN organization to resolve an issue if it accepts the CCWG recommendation, or that we would suggest other ICANN structures or stakeholders take to resolve an issue. The remaining proposed text does not perform this function and thus seems to have no place as part of the <u>General License Recommendation</u>.</em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>To the extent these claims relate to concerns about the activities of non-US registrars, they are addressed in the section discussing application of OFAC sanctions by non-US registrars who are not required to do so. It was agreed on the call that this section would be focused on actual or apparent mistaken application of OFAC sanctions, with corresponding recommendations to resolve that issue.</em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>We have never discussed an issue with regard to the activities of US registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC regulations. As such, mentioning activities of US registrars (or broadly claimed to be activities of all registrars) does not seem to be appropriate.</em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Second, if you would respond to and try to resolve the substance of the specific concerns I raised, that would be helpful. Otherwise, there does not seem to be any substantive basis for accepting any of these suggestions.<br></em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>I don't think it is helpful or accurate to describe this as a removal of text, as it was never accepted into the text in the first place. It was a very late suggested addition to a document that has been worked on for a number of weeks, which was provided scant hours before the call. Vite fait, mal fait, as you say.</em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><em>To accept the remainder of the text into the document, the Subgroup would need to support:</em></font></div><div><ul><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>The idea that activities of US-based registrars raise a concern for this group to address, and that this group has accepted this concern as an Issue.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That new Issues should be introduced to this document at this point.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That issues should be put into the document without corresponding recommendations.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That "media reports" should be cited in the document without being seen by the Subgroup.</em></font></li><li><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>That the business and legal judgement of registrars, beyond the issue of mistaken application of OFAC sanctions, is an appropriate topic for this group and an issue that this group has agreed should be addressed in the document.</em></font></li></ul><div><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>If there is broad support for these concepts in the Subgroup and if the concerns about the suggested text can be resolved, it would be good to hear it now, so the document can be revised appropriately.</em></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>Best regards,</em></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em></em></font></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><em>Greg</em></font></div></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff"><br><em></em></font></div></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-m_-620792990574031975HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-m_-620792990574031975h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Deaar Thiago, Dear Jorge,</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Thanks to your positive r3sponse .I am waiting for Greg to resolve the issue.</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>I strongly oppose to the unilateral removal of the last paragraph as result of off line exchange of views between two or three individual.</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>We should be transparent</em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>We should listen to each other.We should consider problems of others </em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Tks </em></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Regards</em></font></div><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-m_-620792990574031975m_7505901213401055704HOEnZb"><div><font color="#0000ff"><em>Kavouss </em></font></div></span></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-m_-620792990574031975m_7505901213401055704HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-m_-620792990574031975m_7505901213401055704h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#0000ff"><em>On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br" target="_blank">thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.b<wbr>r</a>></span> wrote:<br></em></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Dear Greg,<br><br>I add my voice to Jorge's suggestion and look forward to an agreeable solution.<br><br>Best,<br><br>Thiago<br><br><br>-----Mensagem original-----<br>De: </em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em> [mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounc<wbr>es@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>] Em nome de </em></font><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</em></font></a><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Enviada em: quarta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2017 <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aBn"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aQJ">05:10</span></span><br>Para: </em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Cc: </em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Assunto: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br></em></font><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-m_-620792990574031975m_7505901213401055704m_-3499835125176042479HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-m_3028960440620687420gmail-m_430988824031948023gmail-m_-620792990574031975m_7505901213401055704m_-3499835125176042479h5"><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>Dear Greg,<br><br>would it be possible that Kavouss' concerns are addressed by you also bilaterally as he seems not to be satisfied with these explanations, This could help avoiding any misunderstanding?<br><br>I feel we are very close to consensus and such an effort would most probably be helpful in order to allow all to be on board.<br><br>kind regards<br><br>Jorge<br><br><br>______________________________<wbr>__<br><br>Von: Greg Shatan <</em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>Datum: 20. September 2017 um <span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aBn"><span class="m_-5935792482117197198gmail-aQJ">07:25:56 MESZ</span></span><br>An: Arasteh <</em></font><a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>Cc: ws2-jurisdiction <</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>Betreff: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br><br>All,<br><br>I wanted to reflect in this email thread how the various topics in the paragraph submitted by Kavouss for potential inclusion in the "General License" recommendation have been dealt with in the document. Here are the different sections of the text, followed by my notes in italics.<br><br>Generally, ICANN must pursue the application for general license at earliest time and should advertise and communicate with registries and registrars to revise their registrant agreements and not to copy and paste the general agreements found in US-based registrars. The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be undermined.<br><br>This is now covered in the section on General Licenses, so this is not needed here.<br><br>There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions.<br><br>This is not related to General Licenses, so it should not be included in that recommendation. Regarding non-US registrars: This issue is generally discussed in the section "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." If the Subgroup receives media reports of non-US registrars taking such actions and it appears there may be no legal basis for these actions, we could cite them in this section. Since the Subgroup has not seen the reports mentioned here, we do not have any basis to include this sentence, and so it is not included.<br><br>Regarding US registrars, who have OFAC compliance obligations, there does not appear to be an issue that falls within the purview of the Subgroup. It may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations).<br><br>Samples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic, which made pressure against registrants having Iranian citizenship.<br><br>These are both US-based registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC sanctions. As noted above, it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations). This does not fit with the issue discussed in this report, which relates to mistaken application of OFAC sanctions by non-US registrars, so it is not included.<br><br>To determine the nature of registrant, registrars usually refer to Admin contact details recorded in whois database. If admin address and phone number is related to sanctioned countries, it is assumed that domain owner is a hidden risk for the registrar, therefore registrars try to examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.<br><br>This is not related to the General License either. This seems to be directed toward registrars' business practices and business judgment. Without commenting on the validity of the issue, this would not appear to be an issue for this Subgroup or the CCWG. Furthermore, if these are registrars with OFAC compliance obligations, then it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations. If these are non-US registrars without OFAC compliance obligations, then this issue is covered generally under "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." As such the paragraph is not included.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Greg<br><br>On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Arasteh <</em></font><a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mai<wbr>lto:</em></font><a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><wbr>> wrote:<br>Dear Paul<br>Thank you very much for your comments<br>I am open to soften the text as you suggested e.g. to replace " prove " by " determine" and the term"must" be a less stronger term such as" need" which is between must/ shall/ and may However, due to the fact that we are severely affected by the process, may I humbly request you to kindly agree to retain the idea with slightly modified text to also be agreeable to you.<br>I am jerky awaiting to receive your fair suggestion as soon possible Regards Kavouss<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On 19 Sep 2017, at 02:16, Paul Rosenzweig <</em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchcons<wbr>ulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzw<wbr>eig@redbranchconsulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>>> wrote:<br><br>All<br><br>Given the lateness with which we received Kavouss's suggested paragraph and revisions and the fact that I, regretfully, could not make the call, let me note my disagreement with two aspects of it:<br><br>First, on page 5, it is suggested that a survey be undertaken to "prove" that non-US registrars are imposing OFAC requirements. Since the point of the survey is to determine what is true, it is premature to assume that it will "prove" the facts assumed by the proposer. The word "prove" is therefore in error and should be replaced by "determent whether"<br><br>Second, I oppose the proposed new paragraph at the end simply because, as written, I have absolutely no idea what is meant. But use of terms like "must" as an imperative are always inappropriate in recommendations. Insofar as I can discern the intent (that there is some action being taken by registries against registrants) that issue is a new one that needs to be fully discussed and it is, of course, quite different from the OFAC general license idea for ICANN that we have been discussing (which would only relate to ICANN's on RAA agreements).<br><br>Paul<br><br>Paul Rosenzweig<br></em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsu<wbr>lting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>paul.rosenzwe<wbr>ig@redbranchconsulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>O: </em></font><a href="tel:(202)%20547-0660" value="+12025470660" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>+1 (202) 547-0660</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><tel:(202)%20547-0660><br>M: </em></font><a href="tel:(202)%20329-9650" value="+12023299650" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>+1 (202) 329-9650</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><tel:(202)%20329-9650><br>VOIP: </em></font><a href="tel:(202)%20738-1739" value="+12027381739" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>+1 (202) 738-1739</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><tel:(202)%20738-1739> </em></font><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>www.redbranchconsulting.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><</em></font><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ht<wbr>tp://www.redbranchconsulting.c<wbr>om/</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>><br>My PGP Key: </em></font><a href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>https://keys.mailvelope.com/pk<wbr>s/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830<wbr>097CA066684</em></font></a><br><br><font color="#0000ff"><em>From: </em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-b<wbr>ounces@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>> [mailto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction-bounc<wbr>es@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan<br>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:13 PM<br>To: ws2-jurisdiction <</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><ma<wbr>ilto:</em></font><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>ws2-jurisdiction@icann.or<wbr>g</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>>><br>Subject: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br><br>CORRECTED VERSION ATTACHED. A paragraph suggested by Kavouss, which is in the Google Doc, did not show up in the Word document (nor in the PDF, which is based on the Word doc). Corrected versions are attached. Thank you to Kavouss for catching this. Please see the last paragraph in the document so that you can review this suggested text.<br><br>Also, some crossed-out text at the very end that was supposed to be deleted (as noted on last week's call) has now been deleted from the attached (and the Google Doc).<br><br>Greg<br><br><br><br>On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Greg Shatan <</em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em><mailt<wbr>o:</em></font><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#0000ff"><em>gregshatanipc@gmail.com</em></font></a><font color="#0000ff"><em>>> wrote:<br>All,<br><br>I have attached a further revised OFAC Recommendation, reflecting changes suggested by Kavouss Arasteh and Seun Ojedeji. 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target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Kavouss,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I await your response to the substance of my explanations.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Greg</div><div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:30 AM Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div>Dear Greg</div><div>Pls indicate what do you mean by </div></div><div><div>I have taken the remaining elements of your text into account and given them due consideration</div></div><div><div>To this part I am ok but you continued </div></div><div><div> but they are not included in the document,</div><div><br></div></div><div><div>What is the meaning of you have tajen into account but not included in the document</div><div>This is senseles confusing frustrating</div><div>Either you have taken them into acount thus they should have been included</div><div>Or if they were not included in the doc, the term " They have been taken into account " ids totally senseless </div><div>I do not know with what language I should talk to you</div><div>Do you speak French </div><div>Pls I am tired to be confused</div><div><span>I am spending hours and hours to concvinve you that these points should be addressed like two other examples that were included ( Netherland Antiles .... and .... ) </span></div><div><span>I do not know why I am pushed to be confused.</span></div><div><span>You should not decide to reject them You are expected to be fair.$I kniow many of you do not intend to address point raised by some of us because you want to tailored the report in a way that satifsfy you.</span></div><div><span>Pls once again include them in one way or other</span></div><div><span>I am not convinced</span></div><div><span>Regards</span></div></div><div><div><span>Kavouss </span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Greg Shatan <span><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default">Kavouss, </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">I have taken the remaining elements of your text into account and given them due consideration, but they are not included in the document, for the reasons I have twice set forth with great care and detail. Please read my detailed explanations and respond to the substance contained in them if you have any remaining concerns.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Best regards,<br></div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Greg</div></div></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198m_200909414179073220m_9062706611132842356HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198m_200909414179073220m_9062706611132842356h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <span><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div>Dear Greg</div><div>Sorry to disturb you at your religeous feast .Pls kindly refer me to the area of the text when other elements sent to you few hours ago has bedn taken into account .Just few mints for you to highlight those, if considred as you know where they have been included and with what language which may not be exactly identical as proposed</div><div>Sorry to bother you again</div><div>Regards</div><span class="m_-5935792482117197198m_200909414179073220m_9062706611132842356m_-5100362338846421254HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Kavouss </div></font></span></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198m_200909414179073220m_9062706611132842356m_-5100362338846421254HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198m_200909414179073220m_9062706611132842356m_-5100362338846421254h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Greg Shatan <span><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default">Kavouss, </div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">As previously noted, I have responded in detail (twice) regarding the remaining elements of your suggested text. Please read these responses. I assure you it will take far less time to read them than it took me to write them. Please reply to the points raised in these responses if you have any remaining concerns.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Best regards,</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Greg</div></div></div><div class="m_-5935792482117197198m_200909414179073220m_9062706611132842356m_-5100362338846421254m_-7611164310576427794HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5935792482117197198m_200909414179073220m_9062706611132842356m_-5100362338846421254m_-7611164310576427794h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:12 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <span><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">Greg</font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">In addition to the elements of my last proposal that you have included in the last version you have posted quite recently , I have had other proposal which I did ask you to look at them and include them either in the itroduction ,as relevant, or preamble to the Recommendation . See below<span></span></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3"><br></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">Greg </font></span></div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"><font color="#0000ff" size="3"><em>1.The last
sentence reads” unless the results of the study
demonstrate that it would be inappropriate for ICANN to pursue these licenses.”To
this effect the first sentensce below “ what Criteria……inappropriate Because
you qualify the study by being inappropriate and I did suggest what criteria will
be use to make the judgement </em></font></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(37,9,87)"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri" size="3"><em>Thus
the first sentence would fir .You may include my comment by modifying the
sentence as follows </em></font></span></div><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>
</em></font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(37,9,87)"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><font color="#0000ff"><em>UNLESS
,USING APPROPRIATE CRITERIA, THE RESULTS OF STUDY DEMONSTRATE THAT IT WOULD BE
INAPPROPRIATE FOR ICANN TO PURSUE THESE STUDIES</em></font>.</font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(37,9,87)"><font face="Calibri" size="3"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"><font color="#ff0000" size="3"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)"><font color="#ff0000">This has been covered in part </font><span></span></span></font></font></span></font></span></div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(37,9,87)"><font face="Calibri" size="3"> </font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri" size="3">2.</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><em>Generally, ICANN should pursue the application for general
license at arliest time and should remind the registries not to copy and paste
the general agreements found in US-based registrars. </em></font></span></p><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>
</em></font><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"><em><font color="#0000ff">This also fits</font></em> </font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"> <span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"><font color="#ff0000" size="3"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)"><font color="#ff0000">This has been covered in part </font><span></span></span></font></font></span></font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"><font color="#0000ff">3. The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such
situation is critical and should not be undermined.</font> </font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><em>This part is talking about awareness that was
extensively discussed and thus fits </em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"><font color="#ff0000" size="3"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)"><font color="#ff0000">This has been covered in part </font><span></span></span></font></font></span></font></span></div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><em>4. There are several reports in the media that
US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their
domains immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions</em></font></span></p><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><em>
</em></font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><em>This could be included in appropriate part .if it does
not fit with the recommends part </em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"><font color="#ff0000" size="3"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)"><font color="#ff0000">This has NOT been covered in part <span></span></font><span></span></span></font></font></span></font></span></font></span></div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><em>5.Examples of that are related to Godaddy and Online
Nic, which made pressure against registrants having citizenship of Sanction coountries.
This could be included in the introductory part of the OFAC sanctions and
registrar</em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri"><font color="#ff0000" size="3"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)"><font color="#ff0000">This has NOT been covered in part <span></span></font><span></span></span></font></font></span></font></span></font></span></div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><em>6 Registrars should
be reminded that they should not normally examine zero risk policy in regard of
penalties imposed by OFAC.</em></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#0000ff" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"><font color="#0000ff"><em>This could be included either in the recommends part or preamble of the recommend part </em></font><span><span><span></span></span></span></font></span></font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%;font-size:16pt"><font color="#ff0000" face="Calibri">This seems not covered. </font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%"><font color="#ff0000" face="Calibri">Pls kindly advise about those which are not covered in any part of the report or if covered , I have nor seen it</font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">I am grateful to you for that guidance </font></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Regards</font></span></div><span class="m_-5935792482117197198m_200909414179073220m_9062706611132842356m_-5100362338846421254m_-7611164310576427794m_-8460426139242602899HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:106%"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Kavouss </font></span></div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">
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