<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" style="" face="verdana, sans-serif">Tijani,</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif">Paul is being a bit lawyerly and careful and emphasizing that there is no positive statement in the law or regulations that one can point to and say, "this says OFAC doesn’t apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to their contracts with ICANN." He has also explained that there would not be, because that's not how laws work (or regulations, except if there were a general license -- but a general license would only be needed if the sanctions would otherwise apply).</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif">Sam is also being careful (and has to be, because ICANN cannot give legal advice on OFAC compliance to contracted parties), when she confirms that "ICANN cannot and does not obligate its contracted parties to follow OFAC regulations." But consider that Sam also said that "<b>ICANN agrees that OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN</b>." Considering how careful ICANN has to be in not giving legal advice on OFAC compliance, this should be highly persuasive. </font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif">Consider also that all contracting parties would be in breach of their ICANN contracts if US law required them all to comply with OFAC because they have an ICANN contract and they did not do so. Do you think ICANN or the US government would tolerate such widespread violation of law and breach of contract?</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" style="" face="verdana, sans-serif">Like Becky I'll be a little less lawyerly, and say that I can find absolutely no basis for concern that OFAC applies to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely because they have entered into a contract with ICANN.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" style="" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font color="#000000" style="" face="verdana, sans-serif">Greg</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn" target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><font color="#002e7a">Thank you Paul,</font><div><font color="#002e7a"><br></font></div><div><font color="#002e7a">So, since no firm answer can be given, it is not sure that </font><span style="background-color:white"><font color="#002e7a" face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">OFAC doesn</span><span style="font-size:15px">’t </span><span style="font-size:11pt">apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to their contracts with ICANN, which is a concern in my opinion.</span></font></span><div><span class=""><br><div>
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<br></span><div><div class="h5"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Le 22 sept. 2017 à 13:13, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com</a>> a écrit :</div><br class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="m_-7109674684725550967WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi Tijani<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Let me try. You ask “According to the California or US jurisdictions” I assume you mean EITHER the executive branches of those areas or their courts. <span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">As to California – OFAC is a Federal law, so the California state government would have no authority to construe the law or enforce it. As a result, no action to enforce OFAC requirements has ever been brought by California or adjudicated by California courts. Since the law is outside of their scope of reference this is not surprising.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">As to the Federal government, its rules regarding the scope of OFAC are set forth in regulations that are discussed in detail in the draft report the group put together. Those regulations do not directly address ICANN (or any other specific business entity) but describe widely the categories and types of people and institutions to which it applies. The US government through the Department of Treasury has never been asked about ICANN’s contracted parties directly and if asked they probably would refuse to answer a hypothetical. So we are left only with the regulations – and as to those, I agree with Sam that the best reading of them is that they apply to ICANN but not the contracted parties (unless the contracted parties are themselves US companies independently subject to OFAC).<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Since no enforcement action has ever been brought against ICANN or a contracted party in a US court, no US court has ever answered the question you ask<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hope that helps<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Paul<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Paul Rosenzweig<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">O: <a href="tel:(202)%20547-0660" value="+12025470660" target="_blank">+1 (202) 547-0660</a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">M: <a href="tel:(202)%20329-9650" value="+12023299650" target="_blank">+1 (202) 329-9650</a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">VOIP: <a href="tel:(202)%20738-1739" value="+12027381739" target="_blank">+1 (202) 738-1739</a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">My PGP Key:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://keys.mailvelope.<wbr>com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=<wbr>0x9A830097CA066684</span></a><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:ws2-<wbr>jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a><wbr>]<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tijani BEN JEMAA<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:22 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>Samantha Eisner <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Thank you Sam,<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">You didn’t answer my question which was: <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);background-color:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">According to the California and US jurisdictions, does OFAC apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to their contracts with ICANN?</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);background-color:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">I will very much appreciate a clear and to the point answer.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">Tijani BEN JEMAA</span></b><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">Executive Director</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (<b>FMAI</b>)</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">Phone: <a href="tel:+216%2098%20330%20114" value="+21698330114" target="_blank">+216 98 330 114</a></span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)"> </span><span> </span><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)"><a href="tel:+216%2052%20385%20114" value="+21652385114" target="_blank">+216 52 385 114</a></span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" type="cite"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Le 21 sept. 2017 à 20:45, Samantha Eisner <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">ICANN cannot and does not obligate its contracted parties to follow OFAC regulations. ICANN requires them to follow applicable laws.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">— <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Samantha Eisner<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Deputy General Counsel, ICANN<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Los Angeles, California 90094<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">USA<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Direct Dial: <a href="tel:(310)%20578-8631" value="+13105788631" target="_blank">+1 310 578 8631</a><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"> </span></div></div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tijani BEN JEMAA <<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 3:20 PM<br><b>To:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Samantha Eisner <<a href="mailto:samantha.eisner@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">samantha.eisner@icann.org</a>>, ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Ext] Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"> </span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(0,46,122)">Thank you Samantha,</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(0,46,122)">You said « <span style="background-color:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial">ICANN agrees that OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN. ». Does that mean that according to the California and US jurisdictions, OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN?</span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"> </span></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(54,95,145)">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(54,95,145)">Tijani BEN JEMAA</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(54,95,145)">Executive Director</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(54,95,145)">Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (<b>FMAI</b>)</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(54,95,145)">Phone: <a href="tel:+216%2098%20330%20114" value="+21698330114" target="_blank">+216 98 330 114</a></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(54,95,145)"> </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"> <span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)"><a href="tel:+216%2052%20385%20114" value="+21652385114" target="_blank">+216 52 385 114</a></span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(54,95,145)">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" type="cite"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Le 20 sept. 2017 à 21:44, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"> </span></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Thanks a lot for that helpful response Samantha! <br><br>Regards<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"> </span></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas">On Sep 20, 2017 9:37 PM, "Samantha Eisner" <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><u></u><u></u></span></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hi Seun - <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt">To your question below, and as noted in my presentation to the Jurisdiction group below, ICANN agrees that OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN. However, ICANN cannot provide any advice to a contracted party as to which laws and regulations are (or are not) applicable, and each contracted party is responsible for understanding that as part of their business operations.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></div></div><div id="m_-7109674684725550967m_-845601827671939475Signature"><div name="divtagdefaultwrapper"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span class="m_-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="font-size:12pt">Sam</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span class="m_-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="font-size:12pt">____</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span class="m_-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="font-size:12pt">Samantha Eisner</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span class="m_-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="font-size:12pt">Deputy General Counsel, ICANN</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span class="m_-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="font-size:12pt"><a 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style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;text-align:center;background-color:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><hr size="3" width="98%" align="center"></span></div><div id="m_-7109674684725550967m_-845601827671939475divRplyFwdMsg"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">From:</span></b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:17 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mueller, Milton L<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>ws2-jurisdiction<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">On Sep 20, 2017 4:03 PM, "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">We do ask ICANN to clarify that registrars do not need to follow OFAC sanctions simply due to their contracts with ICANN, and that is important. </span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">SO: Can we get ICANN legal to respond to the above as I think it will help someone like myself move from sitting on the fence on this particular topic.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" type="cite"><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><a name="m_-7109674684725550967_m_-845601827671939475_m_9181909881305066"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></a><span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:blue;border-left-width:1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">From:</span></b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-<wbr>jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a><wbr>]<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:48 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <<a href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.<wbr>br</a>>; Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">rickert@anwaelte.de</a>>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>>; Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Deaar Thiago, Dear Jorge,<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Thanks to your positive r3sponse .I am waiting for Greg to resolve the issue.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">I strongly oppose to the unilateral removal of the last paragraph as result of off line exchange of views between two or three individual.<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">We should be transparent<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">We should listen to each other.We should consider problems of others<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Tks<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Kavouss <u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <<a href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.<wbr>br</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt" type="cite"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)">Dear Greg,<br><br>I add my voice to Jorge's suggestion and look forward to an agreeable solution.<br><br>Best,<br><br>Thiago<br><br><br>-----Mensagem original-----<br>De:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a><span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-<wbr>jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a><wbr>] Em nome de<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><br>Enviada em: quarta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2017 05:10<br>Para:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>Cc:<span class="m_-7109674684725550967Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a><br>Assunto: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(33,33,33)"><br>Dear Greg,<br><br>would it be possible that Kavouss' concerns are addressed by you also bilaterally as he seems not to be satisfied with these explanations, This could help avoiding any misunderstanding?<br><br>I feel we are very close to consensus and such an effort would most probably be helpful in order to allow all to be on board.<br><br>kind regards<br><br>Jorge<br><br><br>______________________________<wbr>__<br><br>Von: Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>Datum: 20. September 2017 um 07:25:56 MESZ<br>An: Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br>Betreff: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br><br>All,<br><br>I wanted to reflect in this email thread how the various topics in the paragraph submitted by Kavouss for potential inclusion in the "General License" recommendation have been dealt with in the document. Here are the different sections of the text, followed by my notes in italics.<br><br>Generally, ICANN must pursue the application for general license at earliest time and should advertise and communicate with registries and registrars to revise their registrant agreements and not to copy and paste the general agreements found in US-based registrars. The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be undermined.<br><br>This is now covered in the section on General Licenses, so this is not needed here.<br><br>There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions.<br><br>This is not related to General Licenses, so it should not be included in that recommendation. Regarding non-US registrars: This issue is generally discussed in the section "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." If the Subgroup receives media reports of non-US registrars taking such actions and it appears there may be no legal basis for these actions, we could cite them in this section. Since the Subgroup has not seen the reports mentioned here, we do not have any basis to include this sentence, and so it is not included.<br><br>Regarding US registrars, who have OFAC compliance obligations, there does not appear to be an issue that falls within the purview of the Subgroup. It may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations).<br><br>Samples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic, which made pressure against registrants having Iranian citizenship.<br><br>These are both US-based registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC sanctions. As noted above, it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations). This does not fit with the issue discussed in this report, which relates to mistaken application of OFAC sanctions by non-US registrars, so it is not included.<br><br>To determine the nature of registrant, registrars usually refer to Admin contact details recorded in whois database. If admin address and phone number is related to sanctioned countries, it is assumed that domain owner is a hidden risk for the registrar, therefore registrars try to examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.<br><br>This is not related to the General License either. This seems to be directed toward registrars' business practices and business judgment. Without commenting on the validity of the issue, this would not appear to be an issue for this Subgroup or the CCWG. Furthermore, if these are registrars with OFAC compliance obligations, then it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations. If these are non-US registrars without OFAC compliance obligations, then this issue is covered generally under "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." As such the paragraph is not included.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Greg<br><br>On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>> wrote:<br>Dear Paul<br>Thank you very much for your comments<br>I am open to soften the text as you suggested e.g. to replace " prove " by " determine" and the term"must" be a less stronger term such as" need" which is between must/ shall/ and may However, due to the fact that we are severely affected by the process, may I humbly request you to kindly agree to retain the idea with slightly modified text to also be agreeable to you.<br>I am jerky awaiting to receive your fair suggestion as soon possible Regards Kavouss<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On 19 Sep 2017, at 02:16, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br>All<br><br>Given the lateness with which we received Kavouss's suggested paragraph and revisions and the fact that I, regretfully, could not make the call, let me note my disagreement with two aspects of it:<br><br>First, on page 5, it is suggested that a survey be undertaken to "prove" that non-US registrars are imposing OFAC requirements. Since the point of the survey is to determine what is true, it is premature to assume that it will "prove" the facts assumed by the proposer. The word "prove" is therefore in error and should be replaced by "determent whether"<br><br>Second, I oppose the proposed new paragraph at the end simply because, as written, I have absolutely no idea what is meant. But use of terms like "must" as an imperative are always inappropriate in recommendations. 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A paragraph suggested by Kavouss, which is in the Google Doc, did not show up in the Word document (nor in the PDF, which is based on the Word doc). Corrected versions are attached. Thank you to Kavouss for catching this. Please see the last paragraph in the document so that you can review this suggested text.<br><br>Also, some crossed-out text at the very end that was supposed to be deleted (as noted on last week's call) has now been deleted from the attached (and the Google Doc).<br><br>Greg<br><br><br><br>On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><wbr>>> wrote:<br>All,<br><br>I have attached a further revised OFAC Recommendation, reflecting changes suggested by Kavouss Arasteh and Seun Ojedeji. 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