<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Greg</div><div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Thanks</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">The issue is that the Registrar refusal to get involved in the business apparently
and perhaps <span> </span>actually <span> </span>resulted from misinterpretation of OFAC Regulations
as that Registrar was over prudent to totally exclude any likelihood of
application of OFAC by US to the case . </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">If in the view of the group , see the compilation of views by all of you
as conveyed to you as a cut and paste text <span> </span>, there is no link between the request and
OFAC then it should be explained <span> </span>that
such irrelevance of the refusal to OFAC as the refusal seemed to have been based
on the <span> </span>misinterpretation of the
Registrar <span> </span>that there might have been a
relation thereto </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Then, the group <span> </span>while confirming <span> </span>that <span> </span>inapplicability of OFAC to the case needs to (to
be mentioned in the document <span> </span>to clarify
the matter for the case and for any future misinterpretation.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Moreover, the group needs to mention that the need to verify whether
there is a clear provision in the RAA to obligate the Registrar to enter into
business with registrant or there is no provision to authorise it to refuse
,i.e. silent situation in RAA . In that case the Group while excluding the
applicability or relation between the request and OFAC recommend ICANN to
examine the matter and take necessary action, as appropriate <span> </span></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 6.75pt;line-height:normal"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Regards</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:107%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Kavouss<span></span></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Kavouss,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It might help Paul and others to understand your point if you could explain your three points, specifically:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">a) Why it is necessary to include this case/anecdote in the OFAC Recommendation</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">b) Why it is relevant to the OFAC Recommendation that Resello's decision could <b>not</b> be attributed to OFAC applicability</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">c) Why it is relevant to the OFAC Recommendation that the RAA has no obligation for the Registrar to enter into the requested Reseller agreement</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="auto"><div>Paul</div><div id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972AppleMailSignature">You have never ever Been at loss</div><div id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972AppleMailSignature">This addition is necessary to address the case as contained in my suggestion as further elaborated in the sense a) to include the case as reported , b) to mention that the refusal of Resello could not be attributed to the likelihood of OFAC applicability and c) to Mention that RAA is silent in obligation of Registrar to enter into business with requérant of domain name purchase as well as its refusal</div><div id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972AppleMailSignature">I hope it is clear</div><div id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972AppleMailSignature">Tks</div><span><div id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972AppleMailSignature">Kavouss</div><div id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972AppleMailSignature"><br>Sent from my iPhone</div></span><div><div class="m_797814974058455828h5"><div><br>On 26 Sep 2017, at 00:57, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchcons<wbr>ulting.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">We already have .. at some length. I confess in this instance I really am at a loss as to what more is desired.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Paul Rosenzweig<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsu<wbr>lting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">O: <a href="tel:(202)%20547-0660" target="_blank" value="+12025470660">+1 (202) 547-0660</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">M: <a href="tel:(202)%20329-9650" target="_blank" value="+12023299650">+1 (202) 329-9650</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">VOIP: <a href="tel:(202)%20738-1739" target="_blank" value="+12027381739">+1 (202) 738-1739</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">My PGP Key: <a href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://keys.mailvelope.com/pk<wbr>s/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830<wbr>097CA066684</span></a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a> [<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.adm<wbr>in.ch</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 25, 2017 10:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsu<wbr>lting.com</a>; <a href="mailto:olgacavalli@gmail.com" target="_blank">olgacavalli@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> AW: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear all, dear Paul,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I guess what is being highlighted is a potential „chilling effect“ that could be addressed through improved awareness and communication – something we may well mention in this recommendation…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kind regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Jorge <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE"> <a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounc<wbr>es@icann.org</a>] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Paul Rosenzweig<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 25. September 2017 16:12<br><b>An:</b> 'Olga Cavalli' <<a href="mailto:olgacavalli@gmail.com" target="_blank">olgacavalli@gmail.com</a>>; 'Samantha Eisner' <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'ws2-jurisdiction' <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">In the end, the problem is that the question of RAA implementation is a completely differerent issue from OFAC. The real reason this is problematic is that an unreleated issue is being shoehorned into an existing, otherwise complete, recommendation.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We should move consideration of the RAA issue raised to a new issue subhead in the Subgroup.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Paul Rosenzweig<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsu<wbr>lting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">O: <a href="tel:(202)%20547-0660" target="_blank" value="+12025470660">+1 (202) 547-0660</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">M: <a href="tel:(202)%20329-9650" target="_blank" value="+12023299650">+1 (202) 329-9650</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">VOIP: <a href="tel:(202)%20738-1739" target="_blank" value="+12027381739">+1 (202) 738-1739</a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">www.redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">My PGP Key: <a href="https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://keys.mailvelope.com/pk<wbr>s/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830<wbr>097CA066684</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounc<wbr>es@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Olga Cavalli<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 23, 2017 4:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Samantha Eisner <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear all, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">could it be possible to address Mr Araste's concerns?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">perhaps producing a new document with references to comments by himself and others?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This could be very useful for us following the discussion as the thread of emails sometimes becomes confusing.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">best regards<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Olga<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">2017-09-22 14:52 GMT-07:00 Samantha Eisner <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border-width:medium 1pt medium medium;border-style:none solid none none;border-color:currentColor rgb(204,204,204) currentColor currentColor;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;padding:0in"><div><p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Sorry for the delay in responding - I'm traveling internationally and have not been able to stay fully on top of the email traffic. Greg and Paul, thank you for your responses on the issue and for also recognizing that the question does reach into providing legal advice that ICANN is not in a position to give. I agree with your analyses.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">As noted, I've previously stated that ICANN agrees that OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Contracted parties each need to assess for themselves whether they must comply with the OFAC regulations based on whatever business factors they choose to take into account.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m_-8609366362574713037Signature"><div name="divtagdefaultwrapper"><p class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037p1" style="background:white"><span 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id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m_-8609366362574713037divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> <a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a> <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@ican<wbr>n.org</a>> on behalf of Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 22, 2017 11:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tijani BEN JEMAA<br><b>Cc:</b> ws2-jurisdiction<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Tijani,</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Paul is being a bit lawyerly and careful and emphasizing that there is no positive statement in the law or regulations that one can point to and say, "this says OFAC doesn’t apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to their contracts with ICANN." He has also explained that there would not be, because that's not how laws work (or regulations, except if there were a general license -- but a general license would only be needed if the sanctions would otherwise apply).</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Sam is also being careful (and has to be, because ICANN cannot give legal advice on OFAC compliance to contracted parties), when she confirms that "ICANN cannot and does not obligate its contracted parties to follow OFAC regulations." But consider that Sam also said that "<b>ICANN agrees that OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN</b>." Considering how careful ICANN has to be in not giving legal advice on OFAC compliance, this should be highly persuasive. </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Consider also that all contracting parties would be in breach of their ICANN contracts if US law required them all to comply with OFAC because they have an ICANN contract and they did not do so. Do you think ICANN or the US government would tolerate such widespread violation of law and breach of contract?</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Like Becky I'll be a little less lawyerly, and say that I can find absolutely no basis for concern that OFAC applies to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely because they have entered into a contract with ICANN.</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Greg</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn" target="_blank">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium 1pt medium medium;border-style:none solid none none;border-color:currentColor rgb(204,204,204) currentColor currentColor;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;padding:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);font-size:12pt">Thank you Paul,</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);font-size:12pt">So, since no firm answer can be given, it is not sure that </span><span style="background:white;color:rgb(0,46,122)">OFAC doesn</span><span style="background:white;color:rgb(0,46,122);font-size:11.5pt">’t </span><span style="background:white;color:rgb(0,46,122)">apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to their contracts with ICANN, which is a concern in my opinion.</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-size:12pt">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span style="color:black;font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-size:12pt">Tijani BEN JEMAA</span></b><span style="color:black;font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-size:12pt">Executive Director</span><span style="color:black;font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-size:12pt">Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (<b>FMAI</b>)</span><span style="color:black;font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-size:12pt">Phone: <a href="tel:+216%2098%20330%20114" target="_blank">+216 98 330 114</a></span><span style="color:black;font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:black;font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-size:12pt"><a href="tel:+216%2052%20385%20114" target="_blank">+216 52 385 114</a></span><span style="color:black;font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-size:12pt">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span style="color:black;font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Le 22 sept. 2017 à 13:13, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchcons<wbr>ulting.com</a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">Hi Tijani<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">Let me try. You ask “According to the California or US jurisdictions” I assume you mean EITHER the executive branches of those areas or their courts. <span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">As to California – OFAC is a Federal law, so the California state government would have no authority to construe the law or enforce it. As a result, no action to enforce OFAC requirements has ever been brought by California or adjudicated by California courts. Since the law is outside of their scope of reference this is not surprising.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">As to the Federal government, its rules regarding the scope of OFAC are set forth in regulations that are discussed in detail in the draft report the group put together. Those regulations do not directly address ICANN (or any other specific business entity) but describe widely the categories and types of people and institutions to which it applies. The US government through the Department of Treasury has never been asked about ICANN’s contracted parties directly and if asked they probably would refuse to answer a hypothetical. So we are left only with the regulations – and as to those, I agree with Sam that the best reading of them is that they apply to ICANN but not the contracted parties (unless the contracted parties are themselves US companies independently subject to OFAC).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">Since no enforcement action has ever been brought against ICANN or a contracted party in a US court, no US court has ever answered the question you ask<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">Hope that helps<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span 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class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces<wbr>@icann.org</span></a><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:ws2-jurisdi<wbr>ction-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tijani BEN JEMAA<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, September 21, 2017 4:22 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>Samantha Eisner <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] [Ext] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">Thank you Sam,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">You didn’t answer my question which was: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="background:white;color:rgb(0,46,122)">According to the California and US jurisdictions, does OFAC apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to their contracts with ICANN?</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="background:white;color:rgb(0,46,122)">I will very much appreciate a clear and to the point answer.</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">Tijani BEN JEMAA</span></b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">Executive Director</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (<b>FMAI</b>)</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">Phone: <a href="tel:+216%2098%20330%20114" target="_blank">+216 98 330 114</a></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> </span><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)"><a href="tel:+216%2052%20385%20114" target="_blank">+216 52 385 114</a></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145)">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">Le 21 sept. 2017 à 20:45, Samantha Eisner <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</span></a>> a écrit :<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">ICANN cannot and does not obligate its contracted parties to follow OFAC regulations. ICANN requires them to follow applicable laws.</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">— </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Samantha Eisner</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Deputy General Counsel, ICANN</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"><a 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style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Direct Dial: <a href="tel:(310)%20578-8631" target="_blank">+1 310 578 8631</a></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">From:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">Tijani BEN JEMAA <<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</span></a>><br><b>Date:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 3:20 PM<br><b>To:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</span></a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Samantha Eisner <<a href="mailto:samantha.eisner@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">samantha.eisner@icann.org</span></a>>, ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Ext] Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Thank you Samantha,</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(0,46,122);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">You said « <span style="background:white">ICANN agrees that OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN. ». Does that mean that according to the California and US jurisdictions, OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN?</span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Tijani BEN JEMAA</span></b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Executive Director</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (<b>FMAI</b>)</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Phone: <a href="tel:+216%2098%20330%20114" target="_blank">+216 98 330 114</a></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"><a href="tel:+216%2052%20385%20114" target="_blank">+216 52 385 114</a></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(54,95,145);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Le 20 sept. 2017 à 21:44, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</span></a>> a écrit :</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Thanks a lot for that helpful response Samantha! <br><br>Regards</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:Consolas;font-size:10.5pt">On Sep 20, 2017 9:37 PM, "Samantha Eisner" <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</span></a>> wrote:</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium 1pt medium medium;border-style:none solid none none;border-color:currentColor rgb(204,204,204) currentColor currentColor;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;padding:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Hi Seun - </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">To your question below, and as noted in my presentation to the Jurisdiction group below, ICANN agrees that OFAC does not apply to any of ICANN's contracted parties solely due to a contract with ICANN. However, ICANN cannot provide any advice to a contracted party as to which laws and regulations are (or are not) applicable, and each contracted party is responsible for understanding that as part of their business operations.</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m_-8609366362574713037m_-7109674684725550967m_-845601827671939475Signature"><div name="divtagdefaultwrapper"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Sam</span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">____</span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Samantha Eisner</span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Deputy General Counsel, ICANN</span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__maps.google.com_-3Fq-3D12025-2BWaterfront-2BDrive-2C-2BSuite-2B300-250D-2BLos-2BAngeles-2C-2BCalifornia-2B90094-250D-2BUSA-26entry-3Dgmail-26source-3Dg&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=w1jlqVWntmqtI5dedIDLQ6uBxH_Jh-uBee_4imohzko&m=9ca8NCIEA-Ax-xcRchljermQjUSdiR0U4i7sHsVe4pU&s=jqlKpYuoR60ghP7UB1YO7aIqTRwXGUJTucqk39U7mRA&e=" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300[maps.google.com]</span></a></span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__maps.google.com_-3Fq-3D12025-2BWaterfront-2BDrive-2C-2BSuite-2B300-250D-2BLos-2BAngeles-2C-2BCalifornia-2B90094-250D-2BUSA-26entry-3Dgmail-26source-3Dg&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=w1jlqVWntmqtI5dedIDLQ6uBxH_Jh-uBee_4imohzko&m=9ca8NCIEA-Ax-xcRchljermQjUSdiR0U4i7sHsVe4pU&s=jqlKpYuoR60ghP7UB1YO7aIqTRwXGUJTucqk39U7mRA&e=" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Los Angeles, California 90094[maps.google.com]</span></a></span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><a 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</span></span><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967m-845601827671939475s1"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><a href="tel:+1%20310-578-8631" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">+1 310 578 8631</span></a></span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-align:center"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><hr width="98%" size="3" align="center"></span></div><div id="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m_-8609366362574713037m_-7109674684725550967m_-845601827671939475divRplyFwdMsg"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">From:</span></b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</span></a><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction-bo<wbr>unces@icann.org</span></a>> on behalf of Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</span></a>><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 20, 2017 1:17 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>Mueller, Milton L<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>ws2-jurisdiction<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">On Sep 20, 2017 4:03 PM, "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">milton@gatech.edu</span></a>> wrote:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium 1pt medium medium;border-style:none solid none none;border-color:currentColor rgb(204,204,204) currentColor currentColor;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;padding:0in"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">We do ask ICANN to clarify that registrars do not need to follow OFAC sanctions simply due to their contracts with ICANN, and that is important. </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">SO: Can we get ICANN legal to respond to the above as I think it will help someone like myself move from sitting on the fence on this particular topic.</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Regards</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><blockquote style="border-width:medium 1pt medium medium;border-style:none solid none none;border-color:currentColor rgb(204,204,204) currentColor currentColor;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;padding:0in"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><a name="m_797814974058455828_m_6247942080492139972_m_-8609366362574713037_m_-71096746847255"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></a><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div style="border-width:medium 1.5pt medium medium;border-style:none solid none none;border-color:currentColor blue currentColor currentColor;padding:0in"><div><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)">From:</span></b><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</span></a><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdic<wbr>tion-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:48 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <<a href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.b<wbr>r</span></a>>; Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">rickert@anwaelte.de</span></a>>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</span></a>>; Jordan Carter <<a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] RES: OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Deaar Thiago, Dear Jorge,</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Thanks to your positive r3sponse .I am waiting for Greg to resolve the issue.</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">I strongly oppose to the unilateral removal of the last paragraph as result of off line exchange of views between two or three individual.</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">We should be transparent</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">We should listen to each other.We should consider problems of others<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Tks<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Regards</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Kavouss </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <<a href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.b<wbr>r</span></a>> wrote:</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium 1pt medium medium;border-style:none solid none none;border-color:currentColor rgb(204,204,204) currentColor currentColor;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;padding:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">Dear Greg,<br><br>I add my voice to Jorge's suggestion and look forward to an agreeable solution.<br><br>Best,<br><br>Thiago<br><br><br>-----Mensagem original-----<br>De:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@i<wbr>cann.org</span></a><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdict<wbr>ion-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] Em nome de<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</span></a><br>Enviada em: quarta-feira, 20 de setembro de 2017 05:10<br>Para:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><br>Cc:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a><br>Assunto: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions</span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><br>Dear Greg,<br><br>would it be possible that Kavouss' concerns are addressed by you also bilaterally as he seems not to be satisfied with these explanations, This could help avoiding any misunderstanding?<br><br>I feel we are very close to consensus and such an effort would most probably be helpful in order to allow all to be on board.<br><br>kind regards<br><br>Jorge<br><br><br>______________________________<wbr>__<br><br>Von: Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a>><br>Datum: 20. September 2017 um 07:25:56 MESZ<br>An: Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</span></a>><br>Cc: ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a>><br>Betreff: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br><br>All,<br><br>I wanted to reflect in this email thread how the various topics in the paragraph submitted by Kavouss for potential inclusion in the "General License" recommendation have been dealt with in the document. Here are the different sections of the text, followed by my notes in italics.<br><br>Generally, ICANN must pursue the application for general license at earliest time and should advertise and communicate with registries and registrars to revise their registrant agreements and not to copy and paste the general agreements found in US-based registrars. The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be undermined.<br><br>This is now covered in the section on General Licenses, so this is not needed here.<br><br>There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately because they might get affected by US sanctions.<br><br>This is not related to General Licenses, so it should not be included in that recommendation. Regarding non-US registrars: This issue is generally discussed in the section "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." If the Subgroup receives media reports of non-US registrars taking such actions and it appears there may be no legal basis for these actions, we could cite them in this section. Since the Subgroup has not seen the reports mentioned here, we do not have any basis to include this sentence, and so it is not included.<br><br>Regarding US registrars, who have OFAC compliance obligations, there does not appear to be an issue that falls within the purview of the Subgroup. It may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations).<br><br>Samples of that are related to Godaddy and Online Nic, which made pressure against registrants having Iranian citizenship.<br><br>These are both US-based registrars, who are required to comply with OFAC sanctions. As noted above, it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations (or seeking to become compliant with their legal obligations). This does not fit with the issue discussed in this report, which relates to mistaken application of OFAC sanctions by non-US registrars, so it is not included.<br><br>To determine the nature of registrant, registrars usually refer to Admin contact details recorded in whois database. If admin address and phone number is related to sanctioned countries, it is assumed that domain owner is a hidden risk for the registrar, therefore registrars try to examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.<br><br>This is not related to the General License either. This seems to be directed toward registrars' business practices and business judgment. Without commenting on the validity of the issue, this would not appear to be an issue for this Subgroup or the CCWG. Furthermore, if these are registrars with OFAC compliance obligations, then it may well be that these registrars are complying with their legal obligations. If these are non-US registrars without OFAC compliance obligations, then this issue is covered generally under "Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars." As such the paragraph is not included.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Greg<br><br>On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</span></a><mai<wbr>lto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</span></a>><wbr>> wrote:<br>Dear Paul<br>Thank you very much for your comments<br>I am open to soften the text as you suggested e.g. to replace " prove " by " determine" and the term"must" be a less stronger term such as" need" which is between must/ shall/ and may However, due to the fact that we are severely affected by the process, may I humbly request you to kindly agree to retain the idea with slightly modified text to also be agreeable to you.<br>I am jerky awaiting to receive your fair suggestion as soon possible Regards Kavouss<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>On 19 Sep 2017, at 02:16, Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchcons<wbr>ulting.com</span></a><mailto:<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">paul.<wbr>rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting<wbr>.com</span></a>>> wrote:<br><br>All<br><br>Given the lateness with which we received Kavouss's suggested paragraph and revisions and the fact that I, regretfully, could not make the call, let me note my disagreement with two aspects of it:<br><br>First, on page 5, it is suggested that a survey be undertaken to "prove" that non-US registrars are imposing OFAC requirements. Since the point of the survey is to determine what is true, it is premature to assume that it will "prove" the facts assumed by the proposer. The word "prove" is therefore in error and should be replaced by "determent whether"<br><br>Second, I oppose the proposed new paragraph at the end simply because, as written, I have absolutely no idea what is meant. But use of terms like "must" as an imperative are always inappropriate in recommendations. Insofar as I can discern the intent (that there is some action being taken by registries against registrants) that issue is a new one that needs to be fully discussed and it is, of course, quite different from the OFAC general license idea for ICANN that we have been discussing (which would only relate to ICANN's on RAA agreements).<br><br>Paul<br><br>Paul Rosenzweig<br><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsu<wbr>lting.com</span></a><mailto:<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">paul.<wbr>rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting<wbr>.com</span></a>><br>O:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:+1%20202-547-0660" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">+1 (202) 547-0660</span></a><<a href="tel:(202)%20547-0660" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">tel:(202)%20547-0660</span></a>><br>M:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:+1%20202-329-9650" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">+1 (202) 329-9650</span></a><<a href="tel:(202)%20329-9650" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">tel:(202)%20329-9650</span></a>></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt">VOIP:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:+1%20202-738-1739" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">+1 (202) 738-1739</span></a><<a href="tel:(202)%20738-1739" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">tel:(202)%20738-1739</span></a>><span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"><wbr> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.redbranchconsulting.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=w1jlqVWntmqtI5dedIDLQ6uBxH_Jh-uBee_4imohzko&m=SSg9DqnAreY7rqmepf941C1TwRABY8LDqML_434HenE&s=v-k9kgNfbevSG1hsn5C_hu8J81Lt2LmdyMcrbvhL3e8&e=" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">www.redbranchconsulting.com[r<wbr>edbranchconsulting.com]</span></a><<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.redbranchconsulting.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=w1jlqVWntmqtI5dedIDLQ6uBxH_Jh-uBee_4imohzko&m=SSg9DqnAreY7rqmepf941C1TwRABY8LDqML_434HenE&s=HnmhcBwRiPc7pnKaGKkyyI8tqyDISzgIfxYVHliaAzU&e=" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">http:/<wbr>/www.redbranchconsulting.com/[<wbr>redbranchconsulting.com]</span></a>><br>My PGP Key:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__keys.mailvelope.com_pks_lookup-3Fop-3Dget-26search-3D0x9A830097CA066684&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=w1jlqVWntmqtI5dedIDLQ6uBxH_Jh-uBee_4imohzko&m=SSg9DqnAreY7rqmepf941C1TwRABY8LDqML_434HenE&s=3dySAIxgq5-Bu6Q6V_dX3UG4LDr_Xc36YIrFFDwE5L0&e=" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">https://keys.mailvelope.c<wbr>om/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x<wbr>9A830097CA066684[keys.mailvelo<wbr>pe.com]</span></a></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-size:12pt"><br><br>From:<span class="m_797814974058455828m_6247942080492139972m-8609366362574713037m-7109674684725550967apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces<wbr>@icann.org</span></a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdic<wbr>tion-bounces@icann.org</span></a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction-bounc<wbr>es@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan<br>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 2:13 PM<br>To: ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a><ma<wbr>ilto:<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.or<wbr>g</span></a>>><br>Subject: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] OFAC Recommendation -- Further Suggested Revisions<br><br>CORRECTED VERSION ATTACHED. A paragraph suggested by Kavouss, which is in the Google Doc, did not show up in the Word document (nor in the PDF, which is based on the Word doc). Corrected versions are attached. Thank you to Kavouss for catching this. Please see the last paragraph in the document so that you can review this suggested text.<br><br>Also, some crossed-out text at the very end that was supposed to be deleted (as noted on last week's call) has now been deleted from the attached (and the Google Doc).<br><br>Greg<br><br><br><br>On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><mailt<wbr>o:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a>>> wrote:<br>All,<br><br>I have attached a further revised OFAC Recommendation, reflecting changes suggested by Kavouss Arasteh and Seun Ojedeji. Word and PDF versions are attached, and the Google Doc reflects these suggested changes as well.<br><br>I look forward to our call.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Greg<br><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a><mai<wbr>lto:<a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a><wbr>><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/ws2-jurisdiction</span></a><br><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Ws2-jurisdiction mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-jurisdiction" 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