<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Kavouss,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If I may, I'd like to return to two observations I made earlier in this thread, since I believe they apply to your latest email: </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b><br></b></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b>Opposition/non-support won't be eliminated by request; it needs to be eliminated by persuading the other person to see things differently so that their underlying position changes</b></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b><br></b></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b>The positions in a Working Group (or Subgroup) Report need to be the consensus (aka rough consensus) of the Subgroup, not the views of any one participant.</b></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b><br></b></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I'll make one more observation: </span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-weight:bold;font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">We should presume that a participant's opposition/non-support of a position is based on a substantive, thoughtful difference in views, rather than "</span><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style=""><span style="font-size:12.8px"><b>defending your own country's interest," at least when it comes to private sector participants. </b>Painting any disagreement as a partisan squabble substantially <i>reduces</i><b> </b>the likelihood that consensus will be reached.</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style=""><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style=""><span style="font-size:12.8px">I hope this will help the Subgroup's exchange of views and decision-making.</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style=""><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style=""><span style="font-size:12.8px">Best regards,</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style=""><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" style=""><span style="font-size:12.8px">Greg</span></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Dear Milton</div><div id="m_-8772647033451227276AppleMailSignature">Thank you for your comments</div><div id="m_-8772647033451227276AppleMailSignature">But it would be more appropriate that you leave the issue of interest in my country to the people of my country and not others</div><div id="m_-8772647033451227276AppleMailSignature">There is no need that you defend that interest . </div><div id="m_-8772647033451227276AppleMailSignature">I understand that you may defending your own country,s interest which you have rights to do so </div><span class=""><div id="m_-8772647033451227276AppleMailSignature">Regards</div><div id="m_-8772647033451227276AppleMailSignature">Kavouss<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 26 Sep 2017, at 19:41, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Greg and all members of the subgroup.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I support the draft with your edits in red, which are intended to accommodate the concerns of Arasteh Kavouss.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I oppose ALL the proposed additional text suggested by Kavouss (in light blue). That text adds nothing substantive to the recommendations and #2 in particular
recounts a specific incident in needless detail that is not relevant to the section it is placed in.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I would remind us of the definition of rough consensus; it is clear that Kavouss’s changes have been proposed numerous times, we understand his reasoning, and
yet they command _<i>no support</i>_ from anyone else. Therefore they can be left out of the report and we should proceed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I would remind Mr. Kavouss that his repetitive and dilatory insistence on these changes is actually undermining our attempt to make progress on OFAC sanctions
and are against the interests of people in his own country. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ws2-jurisdiction] Response Requested: Proposed Changes to OFAC Recommendation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">All,</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Please take a few minutes to
<b>read and respond</b> to this email, and the <b>proposed changes</b> discussed here, so that we can finalize the OFAC Recommendation and send it to the Plenary.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">There are three remaining proposed changes as far as I can tell. These changes are below.
<b>Please indicate whether you support adding any of proposed changes 1, 2 and/or 3 to the OFAC Recommendation.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">To make it easy, please respond along the lines of “I [support/do not support] adding change 1” or “I would
support change 1 with the following revisions.” If you think it would help others, please explain your conclusion.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">In addition to the changes, I have attached two documents:</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">A draft of the OFAC Recommendation that incorporates the proposed changes suggested by Kavouss. Where unclear, I placed a change where it seemed most likely intended to be.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">A document with virtually all of the emails devoted to these proposed changes, arranged chronologically by topic.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The proposed changes suggested by Kavouss are as follows:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The first proposed change appears intended to be added to the Issue and Recommendation “Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars.” The first part reads:</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a name="m_-8772647033451227276__30j0zll"></a><a name="m_-8772647033451227276__1fob9te"></a><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">There are several reports in the media that US-Based and Non-US registrars have asked registrants to transfer out their domains immediately
because they might get affected by US sanctions.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">Examples of that are related to Godaddy</span></b><a name="m_-8772647033451227276__ftnref1"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msofootnotereference"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276msoIns"><ins datetime="2017-09-24T15:23">[1]</ins></span></span></span></a><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">
and Online Nic,</span></b><a name="m_-8772647033451227276__ftnref2"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msofootnotereference"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276msoIns"><ins datetime="2017-09-24T15:23">[2]</ins></span></span></span></a><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">
which made pressure against registrants having citizenship of Sanction countries.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Kavouss asked that the second part be inserted into the corresponding Recommendation:</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">Registrars should be reminded that they should not normally examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">
<span style="color:black">The second proposed change relates to an action taken by Resello, a Dutch registrar. It’s also unclear where this would go (it does not seem to fit in the section “Application of OFAC Limitations by Non-US Registrars.”) Perhaps it
would go into a new section, possibly entitled “</span>Policy of not Doing Business with Iranian Customers/Resellers (Unconnected to OFAC/Sanctions) by a Non-US Registrar”:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">An individual domain Name Iranian National reseller residing outside Iran sent a request to <<a href="mailto:sales@resello.com" target="_blank">sales@resello.com</a>> in an online form, asking to become reseller
of Domain Name in Iran (to sell domains to Iranian people).</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">He received the following reply:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">Quote</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">“On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Resello Sales <<a href="mailto:sales@resello.com" target="_blank">sales@resello.com</a>> wrote:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">Dear reseller (XXX)</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">Unfortunately our policy restricts doing business with Iranian customers/resellers, even if they aren't living in Iran, but have an Iranian passport.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">Kind regards,</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">Mark Assenberg”</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">It is worth mentioning that Resello is a subsidiary company for following holding:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">Yourholding</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060"><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Ceintuurbaan+28%0D+%0D+*8024+AA+Zwolle*&entry=gmail&source=g">Ceintuurbaan 28</a></span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060"><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Ceintuurbaan+28%0D+%0D+*8024+AA+Zwolle*&entry=gmail&source=g">8024 AA Zwolle</a></span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060"><a href="tel:+31%2038%20453%200752" value="+31384530752" target="_blank">+31 38 453 0752</a></span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">The name is Yourholding and they are based in Netherlands. So they are not US-Based company.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">They do not want to explain why they don't want to provide service to Iranian. They say, they is our internal policy decision.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">It is important to make it clear that none of Registrars and service providers which are not US Nationals or not based in USA cannot make internal policies to avoid giving services to a given
citizens. This is a global business not a personal decision of a company or its managers. They must fully observe the expected behaviour and responses.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">It is important to emphasize that non-US based companies should not to replicate the rules inside USA.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><i><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">[Recommendation]</span></i></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">The group in attempting to address the case mentioned above thought that the above situation might have been arised as result of misinterpretation of applicability of OFAC Regulation to the case.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">The Group concluded that there was no relation between the case and OFAC Regulation and its applicability.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">The Group also did not find any provision in RAA to obligate the Resello to get into a business with the domain name reseller to provide the requested domain name did not find also any provision
in the RAA to allow the registrar to reject / deny the request.</span></b><a name="m_-8772647033451227276__ftnref3"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msofootnotereference"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276msoIns"><ins datetime="2017-09-24T15:27">[3]</ins></span></span></b></span></a><b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#002060">
The group therefore considered / recommends that there is a need that ICANN further examine the matter with a view to address the silent point in the RAA.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The third suggested change is intended to change the Recommendation relating to General Licenses. After Kavouss suggested several changes (including the language in blue), I
added the red language to reflect Kavouss’s changes in a way that seemed to read better in the text. After the red language was added, Kavouss continued to request that the language in blue be added as well.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">ICANN should then pursue one or more OFAC general licenses
<span style="color:red">at the earliest possible time</span>, unless significant obstacles were discovered in the “study” process. If there are significant obstacles, ICANN should report them to the [empowered] community and seek its advice on how to proceed.
If unsuccessful, ICANN would need to find other ways to accomplish the ultimate goal -- enabling transactions between ICANN and residents of sanctioned countries to be consummated with a minimum of “friction.”
<span style="color:red">It is critical that ICANN communicate regularly about progress toward securing general licenses, in order to raise awareness in the ICANN community and with affected parties.</span> <b>
<span style="color:#002060">The role of ICANN, to make awareness about such situation is critical and should not be undermined.</span></b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Finally, there have been a number of questions asked about each of these suggested changes, which have largely gone unanswered. I’ve rephrased and listed them here, since it could be helpful for
the Subgroup to consider them (or see if any members might answer them). (I am not suggesting these questions need to be answered to evaluate the proposed changes.)</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On suggested change 1</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">:</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Do you have the “reports in the media” referred to in the proposed change?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">a.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If the Subgroup has not seen the reports in the media, can the Subgroup Report refer to them, or the activities reported in them?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">b.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">For US registrars, considering that they have to comply with OFAC, is this an issue for this Subgroup?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">c.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">For non-US registrars, why isn’t the current text of this section of the OFAC Recommendation sufficient? (It discusses possible mistaken application of OFAC sanctions by non-US registrars
because they think contracting with ICANN imposes OFAC compliance obligations on them)<i>.</i></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Since GoDaddy and OnlineNIC are both US-based registrars, does it make sense to refer to them?who are required to comply with OFAC sanctions.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">a.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Do you know what “made pressure against” refers to?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">b.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Are there any example of this “pressure”? With non-US registrars?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">What does it mean to say “<span style="color:black">Registrars should be reminded that they should not normally examine zero risk policy in regard of penalties imposed by OFAC”?</span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">a.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If this refers to the exercise of business or legal judgment of registrars, do you believe it is appropriate for the Subgroup Report to comment on this?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">b.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">What proposed issue does this Recommendation resolve/remediate?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">On suggested change 2</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">:</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Is this an example of a non-US Registrar complying with OFAC sanctions?<span style="color:black"> Where is the connection to OFAC?</span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">What section of the RAA is being violated by this
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">business decision (i.e., a registrar deciding not to do business with citizens of a given country (whether it is Canada, Haiti, Iran or otherwise))? </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If Resello's business decision does not seem to be related to OFAC, US jurisdiction or to any ICANN-related jurisdiction, does the Subgroup approve this as an “Issue” or our group to make
a Recommendation on? If so, what recommendation?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:67.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">4.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Is this possibly an EU sanctions issue (the registrar is Dutch)</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:67.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">5.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If this is possibly an EU sanctions issue, should we get into interpreting EU sanctions?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:67.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">6.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Why is the current language of the Recommendation insufficient? It reads:</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">a.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">"ICANN needs to bring awareness of these issues to registrars. ICANN should clarify to registrars that the mere existence of their RAA with ICANN does not cause them to be required to comply
with OFAC sanctions. ICANN should also explore various tools to remind registrars to understand the applicable laws under which they operate and to accurately reflect those laws in their customer relationships."</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:67.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">7.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">What connection does this have to OFAC sanctions or to ICANN's "jurisdiction" -- in the US or elsewhere?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On suggested change3:</span></u><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Why is the language already added to the text (in red) insufficient?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msolistparagraph" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:1.0in;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-size:initial;background-repeat:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">What situation does “make awareness about such situation” refer to?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Is there a concern that something will be “undermined”? What does this refer to?</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msofootnotetext"><a name="m_-8772647033451227276__ftn1"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msofootnotereference"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">[1]</span></span></a><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> NOTE TO SUBGROUP: GoDaddy is a U.S.-based
registrar incorporated in Delaware as GoDaddy, LLC and headquartered in Scottsdale, Arizona.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msofootnotetext"><a name="m_-8772647033451227276__ftn2"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msofootnotereference"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">[2]</span></span></a><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> NOTE TO SUBGROUP: OnlineNIC is a U.S.-based
registrar incorporated in California as OnlineNIC, Inc. and headquartered in San Leandro, California.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msofootnotetext"><a name="m_-8772647033451227276__ftn3"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msofootnotereference"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276msoIns"><ins datetime="2017-09-24T15:27">[3]</ins></span></span></span></a><span class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msoins"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276msoIns"><ins datetime="2017-09-24T15:27">
Resello’s “General Terms and Conditions,” for resellers state in Article 1.1 that “acceptance by Resello … may be refused without reason.”
</ins></span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a href="https://www.resello.com/agreement" target="_blank"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276gmail-msoins"><span class="m_-8772647033451227276msoIns"><ins datetime="2017-09-24T15:27">https://www.resello.com/<wbr>agreement</ins></span></span></a>
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