<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Jorge,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Perhaps I did not understand one thing about your draft. You say that the "California" option is not foreclosed, and that it is a potential outcome of the Menu approach.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As I understand it, the Menu approach allows each registry to choose (or perhaps, to negotiate for) one out of a defined list of jurisdictions (e.g., one from each ICANN Geographic Region).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The "California" approach fixes California/US law as the sole choice of law for all registry agreements.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I don't see how the California approach can be a possible outcome of the Menu approach. Do you mean that it is technically possible that every registry will choose California law from the Menu as their individual outcome? Even if that is the outcome (and the chances of that are vanishingly small), that is still an outcome and not the "California" option, which is distinguished by a fixed choice of law.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please help me and the Subgroup understand better.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thank you,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:47 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I feel we have different views of what the rapporteur role is. The facts are that there was an open document, where all
Subgroup members could suggest edits. Raphaël and I did so. I saw Raphaëls text and he saw mine – and did not object to the way I saw things. Nobody else did comment or object to my suggested wording. Moreover, the “menu” approach had been supported on list,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">You made changes, taking a specific view not supported by anyone else in the document comments, and after making those
changes you immediately sent out the text with your revised text – hence not giving any chance to react to your “reverting” or “putting back”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I find that irregular and improper to the role of the Rapporteur. And it is quite puzzling that you pretend that with
my “suggestions” I was closing any debate – I was just proposing wording, which as I said was not objected nor commented by anyone during more than one week.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Btw: I have never taken out the Californian option – I presented it as a potential outcome of the overall Menu approach.
See attached the word document I saved in my PC after making my suggestions to the Google Doc on September 19.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Greg Shatan [mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.<wbr>com</a>]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Mi</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ttwoch, 27. September 2017 17:36</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Updated "Applicable Law and Choice of Venue Provisions" Recommendation<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">These changes were made in my role as rapporteur. A key aspect of the rapporteur role is helping the group find outcomes the group broadly supports. Part of this is avoiding a push to define
"common ground" prematurely. In my view as rapporteur, the group is not yet at the point where a "common ground" can be declared, and other options eliminated. You will see that today's agenda includes a discussion of the various options. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am as eager as you are to find common ground, and I thank you for offering your assistance in identifying what you believe to be common ground. However, I believe that it's premature to
identify a result at this time. Thus, I edited the text to keep our options open. (I don't believe it's accurate to say I "reverted" the text, since all your suggestions are still in the document, and only a few changes were made by me, to reflect where
we stand in our process.) This in no way prevents the group from considering whether the "Menu" option is one where the Subgroup can find common ground. It merely reflects that we have not already done so.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I'm a little puzzled also by your statement that I am "</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">intervening in an open discussion within the group taking very specific positions,
instead of letting the debate go forward and helping it reaching consensus when needed."
</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The changes I made were to back the document away from the very specific positions you inserted, in order to keep the debate and discussion open. I'm sorry that was not clear to you.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">In the end, this text needs to be revised to identify a result and a recommendation, unless there is a divergence of opinion (and thus no common ground, although this itself would be a "result").
We can also discuss whether to identify the options we did not adopt and the reasons for doing so, or to take your approach and eliminate them from the document (as you did with the "California" option). I hope we can move through this rapidly, while avoiding
hasty conclusions, and arrive at a document that reflects a finding of common ground in the group.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:49 AM, <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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In the pdf this is not clear.<br>
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Are these changes made in your capacity as rapporteur? or are they personal contributions?<br>
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I guess they are the latter. In such case this should be made clear in order to avoid any misunderstandings.<br>
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I note for the record that I find troublesome that (without making that clear) you are once again intervening in an open discussion within the group taking very specific positions, instead of letting the debate go forward and helping it reaching consensus when
needed.<br>
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I cannot speak for Raphaêl of course, bit I wonder why you "revert" to his initial text, which I had suggested to amend aiming at a "common ground" I saw emerging, when Raphaël himself had not done so or had not objected to my suggestions.<br>
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Hence, I would like to see the document distributed without your changes or if you insist to circulate the version you have changed that you clearly identify your edits as your personal opinion.<br>
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Jorge<br>
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Von: Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
Datum: 27. September 2017 um 07:40:41 MESZ<br>
An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><br>
Cc: ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br>
Betreff: Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Updated "Applicable Law and Choice of Venue Provisions" Recommendation<br>
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Jorge,<br>
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Yes. This is reflected in the Google Doc, and if you mouse over the changes in Word.<br>
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Greg<br>
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On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:39 AM, <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.<wbr>admin.ch</a>>> wrote:<br>
Dear Greg,<br>
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The changes in "red ink" are from you?<br>
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Thanks for clarifying.<br>
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regards<br>
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Jorge<br>
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Von: Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><wbr>>><br>
Datum: 27. September 2017 um 07:33:38 MESZ<br>
An: ws2-jurisdiction <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a><<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.<wbr>org</a>>><u></u><u></u></p>
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All,<br>
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Attached is an updated version of this recommendation in Word and PDF formats, found at
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xAyla8FTaL7jZ0D2rYtAzQUr3gEnirTKiAG-kqD0ZSs/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1xAyla8FTaL7jZ0D2rYtAzQUr3gEni<wbr>rTKiAG-kqD0ZSs/edit?usp=<wbr>sharing</a> (please make all changes in SUGGEST mode).<br>
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Please review and be prepared to discuss.<br>
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Thank you.<br>
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Greg<br>
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