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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 16 October 2017 09:13 PM,
Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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is a disappointing statement, but it needs to be understood
that this is a dissent from a tiny minority whose ideas were
not accepted because they were unrealistic and unattainable.
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was already known that proposals for an intergovernmental
organization governed by some as-yet-nonexistent form of
international law had support from only two or three people,
and overwhelmingly strong opposition from everyone else.</span></p>
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Milton<br>
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Can you point me to such a proposal in the sub-group's proceedings
having been seriously presented and discussed? I myself did not see
it. Or are you on the job of creating straw-men!<br>
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it was also clear that petitioning the Trump administration
and a Republican Congress for an act of Congress granting
ICANN immunity would be a blunder of unprecedented magnitude
that would achieve exactly the opposite of the proponents’
stated objectives. <br>
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You often speak about intellectual honesty. Let me take you up on
it: is your problem only about what Trump admin will do with a
"jurisdictional immunity for ICANN" proposal? Were you really ready
for it before Trump came to power, and when he will not be in power?
I hope you do not run away and actually answer these questions. <br>
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parminder<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">While
a small minority was wasting time on a futile attempt to
turn the clock back to 1997, the rest of us were confronting
real, practical jurisdictional issues. We came up with
tangible progress on OFAC and choice of law. These
recommendations enjoy overwhelming consensus. Thus, I do not
see that this dissent causes any problems. Let them display
their petulance and in Abu Dhabi we can discuss and debate
it as needed to expose their fallacies and move on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Milton Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Professor,
School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia
Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gac@icann.org">gac@icann.org</a>; GAC
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<b>Subject:</b> [Ws2-jurisdiction] Jurisdiction
Subgroup. Draft Report. Statement of Brazil. Annex. To
be annexed to the draft report. For consideration by
the CCWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">On
behalf of the Brazilian Government, I hereby submit
the "Statement of Brazil" and its annex, which are
to be annexed to the draft report of the
jurisdiction subgroup, submitted on 11 October 2017,
for consideration by the CCWG plenary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><a
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>] em nome de Greg
Shatan [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Enviado:</b> quinta-feira, 12 de outubro de 2017
23:29<br>
<b>Para:</b> </span><a
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a
href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">acct-staff@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">;
ws2-jurisdiction<br>
<b>Assunto:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Jurisdiction
Subgroup Draft Report for CCWG-Accountability
Plenary Review</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">One
of the Subgroup members pointed out a minor
editing error in the document. On pages 13-14,
there were several mentions of the RAA, when in
fact the language quoted and discussed was from
the </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN">ICANN Terms and Conditions for
Registrar Accreditation Application. (The
reference was correct in the Executive
Summary.) This has now been fixed in the
attached.</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Greg <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On
Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Greg Shatan <</span><a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><span
style="color:black">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Some
minor formatting errors crept into the
Report when it was converted from Word to
PDF. A new PDF of the report is attached.
I've checked each page to confirm that the
formatting errors were resolved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Thank
you to Jorge Cancio for catching this
problem!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black">On Wed, Oct 11,
2017 at 7:53 PM, Greg Shatan <</span><a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><span
style="color:black">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I
am pleased to submit the Draft
Report from the Jurisdiction
Subgroup for consideration by
the CCWG-Accountability
Plenary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">It
is my understanding that a
minority viewpoint is expected
to be submitted. In the
interests of time, this will
be submitted to the Plenary
separately from the Draft
Report.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">During
the preparation of the OFAC
Recommendation, the Subgroup
considered an email where a
registrar declined to do
business with a potential
reseller, based on the
registrar’s policy of not
doing business with people
with Iranian passports. The
Subgroup also learned that
this registrar, which had
been registering domains for
a number of Iranian
nationals, refused to
continue to do business with
them. The Subgroup has
concluded that, to the
extent these instances are
related to OFAC, the
concerns raised by these
instances are adequately
covered in the
Recommendation already
without any additional
changes. This is not in any
way a comment on the
validity of these particular
concerns. The Subgroup will
consider creating "<span
class="m-1922489801139394888m-1211245373740868748gmail-il">stress</span> <span
class="m-1922489801139394888m-1211245373740868748gmail-il">tests</span>"
based on these scenarios.</span></i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I
look forward to the Plenary's
reading of the Draft Report.</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Best
regards,</span><span
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Shatan</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Rapporteur</span></i><span
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